From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 1 10:01:45 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71A1iLB024302 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:01:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id FAA26006 for public-list; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from server10.ispgrup.com ([216.12.200.108]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26002 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16287 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 11:51:20 +0200 Received: from 170.10.223.82.arsystel.com (HELO aiban) (82.223.10.170) by trp.cc with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 11:51:19 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01c5967e$d9d04d40$2001a8c0@aiban> From: "Iban Cardona" To: Subject: SETI public: 1.8mts or 2.4 mts dish for argus and radioastronomy Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:51:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5968F.5F48E670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.5 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5968F.5F48E670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm looking to buy a medium dish for my argus station and for = raioastronomy purposes. Actually I have two quad helix in my window and = now I can install a=20 medium size dish on my roof. For my budget I can get a 1.8mts (6ft) or = a 2.4mts (8fts); but my dilema is what install the 1.8 o r the 2.4, = because the 2.4mts is a bit large for my roof and I can have some = problem with my and neighbors and with my wife :) . But with the 2.4mt I = can get 2.5 db more compareted with the 1.8 dish (28.4db with 2.4 and = 25.9db with 1.8). Somebody have experience with this kind of dishes? In my situation what = dish you will select. Thanks a lot. Iban ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5968F.5F48E670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a medium dish for my = argus=20 station and for raioastronomy purposes. Actually I have two quad helix in my window and now I can = install a=20

medium size dish on my roof. For = my budget I=20 can get a 1.8mts (6ft) or a 2.4mts (8fts); but my dilema is what install = the 1.8=20 o r the 2.4, because the 2.4mts is a bit large for my roof and I can = have some=20 problem with my and neighbors and with my wife :) . But with the 2.4mt I can get 2.5 db more = compareted with=20 the 1.8 dish (28.4db with 2.4 and 25.9db with 1.8).

Somebody have experience with this kind = of dishes?=20 In my situation what dish you will select.

Thanks a lot.

Iban

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5968F.5F48E670-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 1 10:03:12 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71A3Bkt024469 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:03:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id FAA26078 for public-list; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:54:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from server10.ispgrup.com ([216.12.200.108]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26055 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16687 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 11:53:59 +0200 Received: from 170.10.223.82.arsystel.com (HELO aiban) (82.223.10.170) by trp.cc with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 11:53:58 +0200 Message-ID: <003b01c5967f$389a81b0$2001a8c0@aiban> From: "Iban Cardona" To: Subject: SETI public: 1.8mts or 2.4 mts dish for argus and radioastronomy Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:55:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5968F.E7361C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5968F.E7361C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm looking to buy a medium dish for my argus station and for = radioastronomy purposes. Actually I have two quad helix in my window = and now I can install a=20 medium size dish on my roof. For my budget I can get a 1.8mts (6ft) or = a 2.4mts (8ft); but my dilema is what install the 1.8 o r the 2.4, = because the 2.4mts is a bit large for my roof and I can have some = problem with my and neighbors and with my wife :) .=20 But for another hand with the 2.4mt I can get 2.5db more compareted with = the 1.8 dish (28.4db with 2.4 and 25.9db with 1.8). Somebody have experience with this kind of dishes? In my situation what = dish you will select. Thanks a lot. Iban ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5968F.E7361C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a medium dish for my = argus=20 station and for radioastronomy purposes. Actually I have two quad helix in my window and now I can = install a=20

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Thanks a lot.

Iban

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5968F.E7361C60-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 1 10:28:56 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71ASuTe028101 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:28:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id GAA26782 for public-list; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:21:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from server10.ispgrup.com ([216.12.200.108]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26778 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20289 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 12:21:17 +0200 Received: from 170.10.223.82.arsystel.com (HELO aiban) (82.223.10.170) by trp.cc with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 12:21:14 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c59683$080d78f0$2001a8c0@aiban> From: "Iban Cardona" To: Subject: SETI public: sorry for the duplication of the messages Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:22:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C59693.B4194100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C59693.B4194100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm sorry I don't want send the two messages, but the outlook express = are crazy :( Iban ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C59693.B4194100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C59693.B4194100-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Aug 2 06:21:31 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j726LUMq005539 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:21:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id CAA28204 for public-list; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:14:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Krypton1.melitacable.com (ns.melitacable.com [212.56.128.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28200; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vol.net.mt (ppp-130-9-dial3.as.vol.net.mt [212.56.130.9]) by Krypton1.melitacable.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7249cHu005365; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42EEF0C6.AA9DD92C@vol.net.mt> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 06:04:26 +0200 From: Alex Michael Bonnici X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: acc-list@yahoogroups.com, BioAstro , Carl Sagan , Project Orion , setipublic , "spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com" , SSI List , "transhumantech@yahoogroups.com" , FPSpace Subject: SETI public: Naming the 10th Planet and the Extrasolar Planets Discovered During the Last Decade!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.5 tests=PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=3.0.4 Hello Gang, Any ideas on what we should name the 10th planet of our solar system? In many of his short stories Arthur C. Clarke named the 10th planet Persephone. Should we remain within the realm of Greek mythology or should we try looking at ideas from the myths of other cultures? While we are at it shouldn't we start naming the extrasolar planets we discovered in the last decade.? Alex Michael Bonnici From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Aug 2 15:34:44 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72FYhpw009401 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:34:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id LAA12782 for public-list; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f1.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.11]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12777; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:26:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:26:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org, fpspace@friends-partners.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Titan Cryobiology Web Site Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:26:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2005 15:26:20.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[88E98E70:01C59776] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Just what are those little white specks? http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/alexiton/index.htm From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Aug 2 16:28:13 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72GSCVK012331 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:28:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA14346 for public-list; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:21:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f38.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.48]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14333; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:20:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:20:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Discovery of a Magnetic White Dwarf/Probable Brown Dwarf Short-Period Binary Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:20:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2005 16:20:44.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[225DE720:01C5977E] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508043 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:00:34 GMT (149kb) Title: Discovery of a Magnetic White Dwarf/Probable Brown Dwarf Short-Period Binary Authors: G. D. Schmidt, P. Szkody, N. M. Silvestri, M. C. Cushing, J. Liebert, and P. S. Smith Comments: 6 pages, 3 figures \\ The magnetic white dwarf SDSS J121209.31+013627.7 exhibits a weak, narrow Halpha emission line whose radial velocity and strength are modulated on a period of ~90 minutes. Though indicative of irradiation on a nearby companion, no cool continuum component is evident in the optical spectrum, and IR photometry limits the absolute magnitude of the companion to M_J > 13.37. This is equivalent to an isolated L5 dwarf, with T_eff < 1700 K. Consideration of possible evolutionary histories suggests that, until ~0.6 Gyr ago, the brown dwarf orbited a ~1.5 M_sun main seqeunce star with P ~ 1 yr, a ~ 1 AU, thus resembling many of the gaseous superplanets being found in extrasolar planet searches. Common envelope evolution when the massive star left the main sequence reduced the period to only a few hours, and ensuing angular momentum loss has further degraded the orbit. The binary is ripe for additional observations aimed at better studying brown dwarfs and the effects of irradiation on their structure. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508043 , 149kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Aug 2 16:28:18 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72GSHkg012341 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:28:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA14366 for public-list; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:22:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f31.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.41]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14362; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:21:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:21:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Two Papers on Sol-Type Stars Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:21:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2005 16:21:52.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A83C3F0:01C5977E] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508004 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:58:17 GMT (31kb) Title: Keck/HIRES Spectroscopy of Four Candidate Solar Twins Authors: Jeremy R. King (Clemson U.), Ann M. Boesgaard (U. Hawai`i), and Simon C. Schuler (Clemson U.) Comments: Accepted for publication in The Astronomical Journal (November 2005 volume) \\ We use high S/N, high-resolution Keck/HIRES spectroscopy of 4 solar twin candidates (HIP 71813, 76114, 77718, 78399) from our Hipparcos-based CaII H & K survey to carry out parameter and abundance analyses of these objects. Our spectroscopic Teff estimates are some 100 K hotter than the photometric scale of the recent Geneva-Copenhagen survey; several lines of evidence suggest the photometric temperatures are too cool at solar $T_{\rm eff}$. At the same time, our abundances for the 3 solar twin candidates included in the Geneva-Copenhagen survey are in outstanding agreement with the photometric metallicities; there is no sign of the anomalously low photometric metallicities derived for some late-G UMa group and Hyades dwarfs. A first radial velocity determination is made for HIP 78399, and UVW kinematics derived for all stars. HIP 71813 appears to be a kinematic member of the Wolf 630 moving group (a structure apparently reidentified in a recent analysis of late-type Hipparcos stars), but its metallicity is 0.1 dex higher than the most recent estimate of this group's metallicity. While certainly ``solar-type'' stars, HIP 76114 and 77718 are a few percent less massive, significantly older, and metal-poor compared to the Sun; they are neither good solar twin candidates nor solar analogs providing a look at the Sun at some other point in its evolution. HIP 71813 appears to be an excellent solar analog of age 8 Gyr. Our results for HIP 78399 suggest the promise of this star as a solar twin may be equivalent to the ``closest ever solar twin'' HR 6060; follow up study of this star is encouraged. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508004 , 31kb) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paper: astro-ph/0508009 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:46:22 GMT (124kb) Title: Rotational Evolution of Solar-Like Stars in Clusters from Pre-Main Sequence to Main Sequence: Empirical Results Authors: W. Herbst and R. Mundt Comments: Accepted and Scheduled for ApJ 10 November 2005 \\ Rotation periods are now available for ~500 pre-main sequence and recently arrived main sequence stars of solar-like mass (0.4-1.2 M_sun) in five nearby young clusters: the Orion Nebula Cluster, NGC 2264, alpha Per, IC 2602 and the Pleiades. In combination with estimates of stellar radii these data allow us to construct distributions of surface angular momentum per unit mass at three different epochs: nominally, 1, 2 and 50 My. Our main result is illustrated in Fig. 18 and may be summarized as follows: (1) 50-60% of the stars on convective tracks in this mass range are released from any locking mechanism very early on and are free to conserve angular momentum throughout most of their PMS evolution, i.e. to spin up and account for the rapidly rotating young main sequence stars. (2) The other 40-50% lose substantial amounts of angular momentum during the first few million years, and end up as slowly rotating main sequence stars. The duration of the rapid angular momentum loss phase is ~5-6 My, which is roughly consistent with the lifetimes of disks estimated from infrared surveys of young clusters. The rapid rotators of Orion age lose less than 10% of their (surface) specific angular momentum during the next 50 My while the slow rotators lose about two-thirds of theirs. A detectable part of this loss occurs even during the ~1 My interval between the ONC and NGC 2264. The data support the view that interaction between an accretion disk and star is the primary mechanism for evolving the broad, bimodal distribution of rotation rates seen for solar-like stars in the ONC into the even broader distributions seen in the young MS clusters. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508009 , 124kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Aug 3 15:41:43 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73FfggZ026419 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:41:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id LAA21234 for public-list; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:33:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f24.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.34]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21230; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:32:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:32:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Papers on Exoplanetary Transits and Does 51 Ophiuchi have planets? Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:32:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2005 15:32:36.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[9334B100:01C59840] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508051 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:48:14 GMT (373kb) Title: Transit Photometry of the Core-Dominated Planet HD 149026b Authors: David Charbonneau, Joshua N. Winn, David W. Latham, Gaspar Bakos, Emilio E. Falco, Matthew J. Holman, Robert W. Noyes, Balazs Csak, Gilbert A. Esquerdo, Mark E. Everett, and Francis T. O'Donovan Comments: 18 pages, 4 figures, submitted to ApJ \\ We report g, V, and r photometric time series of HD 149026 spanning predicted times of transit of the Saturn-mass planetary companion, which was recently discovered by Sato and collaborators. We present a joint analysis of our observations and the previously reported photometry and radial velocities of the central star. We refine the estimate of the transit ephemeris to Tc [HJD] = 2453527.87455^{+0.00085}_{-0.00091} + N * 2.87598^{+0.00012}_{-0.00017}. Assuming that the star has a radius of 1.45 +/- 0.10 R_Sun and a mass of 1.30 +/- 0.10 M_Sun, we estimate the planet radius to be 0.726 +/- 0.064 R_Jup, which implies a mean density of 1.07^{+0.42}_{-0.30} g/cm^3. This density is significantly greater than that predicted for models which include the effects of stellar insolation and for which the planet has only a small core of solid material. Thus we confirm that this planet likely contains a large core, and that the ratio of core mass to total planet mass is more akin to that of Uranus and Neptune than that of either Jupiter or Saturn. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508051 , 373kb) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \\ Paper: astro-ph/0508052 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:17:12 GMT (121kb) Title: Observations of 51 Ophiuchi with MIDI at the VLTI Authors: C. Gil, F. Malbet, M. Schoeller, O. Chesneau and Ch. Leinert Comments: 5 pages, 3 figures, 2 tables, to be published in the proceedings of "The Power of Optical / IR Interferometry: Recent Scientific Results and 2nd Generation VLTI Instrumentation", Garching, April 4-8, 2005 \\ We present interferometric observations of the Be star 51 Ophiuchi. These observations were obtained during the science demonstration phase of the MIDI instrument at the Very Large Telescope Interferometer (VLTI). Using MIDI, a Michelson 2 beam combiner that operates at the N band (8 to 13 microns), we obtained for the first time observations of 51 Oph in the mid-infrared at high-angular resolution. It is currently known that this object presents a circumstellar dust and gas disk that shows a very different composition from other Herbig Ae disks. The nature of the 51 Oph system is still a mystery to be solved. Does it have a companion? Is it a protoplanetary system? We still don't know. Observations with MIDI at the VLTI allowed us to reach high-angular resolution (20 mas).We have several uv points that allowed us to constrain the disk model. We have modeled 51 Oph visibilities and were able to constrain the size and geometry of the 51 Oph circumstellar disk. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508052 , 121kb) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \\ Paper: astro-ph/0508081 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:15:08 GMT (106kb) Title: Testing the Rate of False Planetary Transits due to Binary Star Blending Authors: G\'eza Kov\'acs & G\'asp\'ar Bakos Comments: 5 pages with 4 figures. To appear in the Poster Proceedings of the Symposium held in May 2-5, 2005 at the Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore: "A Decade of Extrasolar Planets around Normal Stars", ed.: Mario Livio \\ We investigate the rate of false planetary transit detection due to blending with eclipsing binaries. Our approach is purely empirical and is based on the analysis of the artificially blended light curves of the eclipsing binary stars in the Large Magellanic Cloud from the archive of the Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE). Employing parameters that characterize the significance of the transit and the amplitude of the variation out of the transit, we can substantially limit the number of potential false positives. Further constraint comes from the expected length of the transit by a possible planetary companion. By the application of these criteria we are left only with 18 candidates from the full sample of 2495 stars. Visual inspection of these remaining variables eliminates all of them for obvious reasons (e.g., for visible fingerprints of orbital eccentricity). We draw the attention to the short-period stars, where the false alarm rate is especially low. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508081 , 106kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Aug 3 18:08:09 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73I881R027057 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:08:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id OAA25239 for public-list; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:00:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f41.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.51]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25235; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:59:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:59:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Spitzer Detection of PAH and Silicate Dust Features in the Mid-Infrared Spectra Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:59:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2005 17:59:38.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D454C10:01C59855] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Astrophysics, abstract astro-ph/0504336 From: Lin Yan [view email] Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:20:31 GMT (75kb) Spitzer Detection of PAH and Silicate Dust Features in the Mid-Infrared Spectra of z~2 Ultraluminous Infrared Galaxies Authors: Lin Yan (Spitzer Science Center, Caltech), R. Chary, L. Armus, H. Teplitz, G. Helou, D. Frayer, D. Fadda, J. Surace, P. Choi (Spitzer Science Center, Caltech) Comments: 23 pages, Accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal We report the initial results from a Spitzer GO-1 program to obtain low resolution, mid-infrared spectra of infrared luminous galaxies at z~1-2. This paper presents the spectra of eight sources observed with the Spitzer InfraRed Spectrograph (IRS). Of the eight spectra, six have mid-IR spectral features, either emission from Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbon (PAH) or silicate absorption. Based on these mid-IR features, the inferred six redshifts are in the range of 1.8-2.6. The remaining two spectra detect only strong continua, thus do not yield redshift information. Strong, multiple PAH emission features are detected in two sources, and weak PAH emission in another two. These data provide direct evidence that PAH molecules are present and directly observable in ULIRGs at z~2. The six sources with measured redshifts are dusty, infrared luminous galaxies at z~2 with estimated $L_{bol} \sim 10^{13}L_\odot$. Of the eight sources, two appear starburst dominated; two with only power law continua are probably type I QSOs; and the remaining four are likely composite systems containing a buried AGN and a starburst component. Since half of our sample are optically faint sources with R>25.5mag (Vega), our results demonstrate the potential of using mid-infrared spectroscopy, especially the Aromatic and silicate features produced by dust grains to directly probe optically faint and infrared luminous populations at high redshift. Full-text: PostScript, PDF, or Other formats http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0504336 From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Aug 3 18:35:10 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73IZ9ff027228 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:35:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id OAA25932 for public-list; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:24:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f16.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.26]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25928; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:59:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Spitzer Detection of PAH and Silicate Dust Features in the Mid-Infrared Spectra Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:59:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2005 18:19:01.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2758120:01C59857] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Astrophysics, abstract astro-ph/0504336 From: Lin Yan [view email] Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:20:31 GMT (75kb) Spitzer Detection of PAH and Silicate Dust Features in the Mid-Infrared Spectra of z~2 Ultraluminous Infrared Galaxies Authors: Lin Yan (Spitzer Science Center, Caltech), R. Chary, L. Armus, H. Teplitz, G. Helou, D. Frayer, D. Fadda, J. Surace, P. Choi (Spitzer Science Center, Caltech) Comments: 23 pages, Accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal We report the initial results from a Spitzer GO-1 program to obtain low resolution, mid-infrared spectra of infrared luminous galaxies at z~1-2. This paper presents the spectra of eight sources observed with the Spitzer InfraRed Spectrograph (IRS). Of the eight spectra, six have mid-IR spectral features, either emission from Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbon (PAH) or silicate absorption. Based on these mid-IR features, the inferred six redshifts are in the range of 1.8-2.6. The remaining two spectra detect only strong continua, thus do not yield redshift information. Strong, multiple PAH emission features are detected in two sources, and weak PAH emission in another two. These data provide direct evidence that PAH molecules are present and directly observable in ULIRGs at z~2. The six sources with measured redshifts are dusty, infrared luminous galaxies at z~2 with estimated $L_{bol} \sim 10^{13}L_\odot$. Of the eight sources, two appear starburst dominated; two with only power law continua are probably type I QSOs; and the remaining four are likely composite systems containing a buried AGN and a starburst component. Since half of our sample are optically faint sources with R>25.5mag (Vega), our results demonstrate the potential of using mid-infrared spectroscopy, especially the Aromatic and silicate features produced by dust grains to directly probe optically faint and infrared luminous populations at high redshift. Full-text: PostScript, PDF, or Other formats http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0504336 From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Aug 4 02:28:49 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j742Sncv029245 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 02:28:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id WAA08522 for public-list; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:20:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Krypton1.melitacable.com (ns.melitacable.com [212.56.128.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08512; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vol.net.mt (ppp-130-110-dial3.as.vol.net.mt [212.56.130.110]) by Krypton1.melitacable.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j740Mfih006142; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 02:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42F15E8F.9B91F39A@vol.net.mt> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 02:17:30 +0200 From: Alex Michael Bonnici X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ACC LIST , FPSpace , "spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com" , Carl Sagan , setipublic , BioAstro Subject: SETI public: Naming the TRANSPLUTONIAN PLANETS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D2A2804197AC65A8BF8B7E84" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.5 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.0.4 --------------D2A2804197AC65A8BF8B7E84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gang, I remember since childhood reading about the possibility of TRANSPLUTONIAN PLANETS. Recent theories with regard to planetary formation postulate that there may be many such planets beyond pluto residing in orbits above the ecliptic. In fact a few days the British Magazine New Scientist ran such a cover story just a few days before the anouncement of the 10th planet. What to name them? A very good Canadian friend of mine named Ian Licari has suggested naming the newly discovered planet Cerberus. Now according to the web site http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/cerberus.html in an article written by Micha F. Lindemans, Cerberus, in Greek mythology was the three-headed watchdog who guards the entrance to the lower world, the Hades. It is a child of the giant Typhon and Echidna, a monstrous creature herself, being half woman and half snake. To quote my friend Ian "perhaps Cerberus, as the guardian of the world of the dead, is appropriate, since beyond planet 10, is at least 4 light years of fairly dead space." But, personally since most of the planets are named after male Roman Gods, Venus being the only exception, lets name the new planet after Roman goddess Proserpina (Greek name, Persephone) Pluto's wife. Alex Michael Bonnici --------------D2A2804197AC65A8BF8B7E84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello Gang,
I remember since childhood reading about the possibility of TRANSPLUTONIAN PLANETS. Recent theories with regard to planetary formation postulate that there may be many such planets beyond pluto residing in orbits above the ecliptic. In fact a few days the British Magazine New Scientist ran such a cover story just a few days before the anouncement of the 10th planet. What to name them?

A very good Canadian friend of mine named Ian Licari has suggested naming the
newly discovered planet Cerberus. Now according to the web site
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/cerberus.html in an article written by Micha F.
Lindemans, Cerberus, in Greek mythology was the three-headed watchdog who guards the
entrance to the lower world, the Hades. It is a child of the giant Typhon and Echidna, a
monstrous creature herself, being half woman and half snake. To quote my friend Ian
"perhaps Cerberus, as the guardian of the world of the dead, is appropriate, since beyond
planet 10, is at least 4 light years of fairly dead space."

But, personally since most of the planets are named after male Roman Gods, Venus being
the only exception, lets name the new planet after Roman goddess Proserpina (Greek
name, Persephone) Pluto's wife.

Alex Michael Bonnici
--------------D2A2804197AC65A8BF8B7E84-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Aug 4 23:32:43 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74NWgRB002875 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:32:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id TAA12057 for public-list; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:25:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-dav8.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.80]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12053; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:24:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.204 by BAY103-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:24:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.204] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Fw: A Solar Twin in Serpens? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:50 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 23:24:47.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4096A40:01C5994B] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magnificent Universe" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: A Solar Twin in Serpens? > A dim yellow star in the constellation Serpens may be > nearly identical to the Sun, say astronomers in South > Carolina and Hawaii. The star could therefore host a > life-bearing planet like Earth. > > The full story is at > http://KenCroswell.com/HD143436.html. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Aug 5 16:07:11 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75G7BWc006798 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:07:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA08002 for public-list; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f14.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.24]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07998 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:59:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:59:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: fpspace@friends-partners.org, public@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: FW: HUBBLE SPIES A ZOO OF GALAXIES (STScI-PRC05-20-Heritage) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:59:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2005 15:59:45.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3233FD0:01C599D6] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 >From: "INBOX ASTRONOMY: NEWS ALERT" >Reply-To: owner-public@stsci.edu >To: public@stsci.edu >Subject: HUBBLE SPIES A ZOO OF GALAXIES (STScI-PRC05-20-Heritage) >Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:10:50 -0400 > >FOR RELEASE: August 4, 2005 > >PHOTO NO.: STScI-PRC05-20 > >HUBBLE SPIES A ZOO OF GALAXIES > >Gazing deep into the universe, NASA�s Hubble Space Telescope has spied a >menagerie of galaxies. Located within the same tiny region of space, >these numerous galaxies display an assortment of unique characteristics. >Some are big; some are small. A few are relatively nearby, but most are >far away. Hundreds of these faint galaxies have never been seen before >until their light was captured by Hubble. > >This image is a composite of multiple exposures of a single field taken >by the Advanced Camera for Surveys. The image, taken in September 2003, >was a bonus picture, taken when one of the other Hubble cameras was >snapping photos for a science program. This image took nearly 40 hours >to complete and is one of the longest exposures ever taken by Hubble. > >Image Credit: NASA, ESA, and The Hubble Heritage Team (STScI/AURA) >Acknowledgment: J. Blakeslee (JHU) and R. 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Please >unsubscribe using the email account that you used to subscribe to the >list. > From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 8 13:55:32 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78DtVeq030547 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:55:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA25607 for public-list; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:44:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f5.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.15]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25603; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:43:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:43:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Earth's surface transformed by massive asteroids Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:43:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 13:43:50.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[35AF7E60:01C59C1F] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Baalke Subject: Earth's Surface Transformed by Three Massive Asteroid Impacts 3.2 Billion Years Ago http://info.anu.edu.au/mac/Media/Media_Releases/_2005/_August/_050805glikson.asp Earth's surface transformed by massive asteroids Australian National University media release August 5, 2005 A cluster of at least three asteroids between 20 and 50 kilometres across colliding with Earth over 3.2 billion years ago caused a massive change in the structure and composition of the earth's surface, according to new research by ANU earth scientists. According to Dr Andrew Glikson and Mr John Vickers from the Department of Earth and Marine Sciences at ANU, the impact of these asteroids triggered major earthquakes, faulting, volcanic eruption and deep-seated magmatic activity and interrupted the evolution of parts of the Earth's crust. The research extends the original discovery of extraterrestrial impact deposits, discovered in South Africa by two US scientists, D.R. Lowe and G.R. Byerly, identifying their effects in the Pilbara region in Western Australia. "Our findings are further evidence that the seismic aftershocks of these massive impacts resulted in the abrupt termination of an over 300 million years-long evolutionary stage dominated by basaltic volcanic activity and protracted accretion of granitic plutons," Dr Glikson said. The identification of impact ejecta - materials ejected by the hitting asteroid - is based on unique minerals and chemical and isotopic compositions indicative of extraterrestrial origin, including iridium anomalies. The impact ejecta from the Barberton region in the eastern Transvaal indicate the formation of impact craters several hundred kilometres in diameter in oceanic regions of the earth, analogous to the lunar maria basins (large dark impressions on the surface of the moon). The seismic effects of the impacts included vertical block movements, exposure of deep-seated granites and onset of continental conditions on parts of the earth surface. In the Pilbara, the formation of fault escarpments and fault troughs is represented by collapse of blocks up to 250-metres wide and 150-metres high, buried canyons and a major volcanic episode 3240 million years ago. "The precise coincidence of the faulting and igneous activity with the impact deposits, coupled with the sharp break between basaltic crust and continental formations, throws a new light on the role of asteroid impacts in terrestrial evolution," Dr Glikson said. Preliminary indications suggest that at about the same time the Moon was also affected by asteroid impacts and by resurgent volcanic activity. Dr Glikson and Mr Vickers will continue to investigate the extent and effects of large asteroid impacts by studying early terrains in other parts of the world, including India and Canada. Further Information Amanda Morgan Media Liaison Tel: 02 6125 5575 / 0416 249 245 Email: Amanda.Morgan@anu.edu.au From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 8 16:31:11 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78GVBnJ031338 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:31:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA29803 for public-list; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f35.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.45]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29799; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:22:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:22:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: An 850 micron survey for dust around solar mass stars Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:22:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 16:22:35.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[6309BEF0:01C59C35] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508165 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:39:25 GMT (73kb) Title: An 850 micron survey for dust around solar mass stars Authors: Joan Najita (NOAO) and Jonathan P. Williams (IfA Honolulu) Comments: 31 pages, 5 figures. Accepted for publication in the ApJ \\ We present the results of an 850 micron JCMT/SCUBA survey for dust around 13 nearby solar mass stars. The dust mass sensitivity ranged from 0.005 to 0.16 Earth masses. Three sources were detected in the survey, one of which (HD 107146) has been previously reported. One of the other two submillimeter sources, HD 104860, was not detected by IRAS and is surrounded by a cold, massive dust disk with a dust temperature and mass of Tdust = 33 K and Mdust = 0.16 Mearth. The third source, HD 8907, was detected by IRAS and ISO at 60-87 microns, and has a dust temperature and mass Tdust = 48 K and Mdust = 0.036 Mearth. We find that the deduced masses and radii of the dust disks in our sample are roughly consistent with models for the collisional evolution of planetesimal disks with embedded planets. We also searched for residual gas in two of the three systems with detected submillimeter excesses and place limits on the mass of gas residing in these systems. When the properties measured for the detected excess sources are combined with the larger population of submillimeter excess sources from the literature, we find strong evidence that the mass in small grains declines significantly on a ~200 Myr timescale, approximately inversely with age. However, we also find that the characteristic dust radii of the population, obtained from the dust temperature of the excess and assuming blackbody grains, is uncorrelated with age. This is in contrast to self-stirred collisional models for debris disk evolution which predict a trend of radius increasing with age, t ~ R^3. The lack of agreement suggests that processes beyond self-stirring, such as giant planet formation, play a role in the evolutionary histories of planetesimal disks. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508165 , 73kb) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \\ Paper: astro-ph/0504628 replaced with revised version Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:43:46 GMT (622kb) Title: Gravoturbulent formation of planetesimals Authors: Anders Johansen, Hubert Klahr, Thomas Henning (MPIA, Heidelberg) Comments: Substantial changes in response to referee report. 35 pages, 12 figures. People who are interested in the original work are strongly encouraged to read this revised manuscript \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504628 , 622kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 8 18:16:32 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78IGVuG032010 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:16:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id OAA02709 for public-list; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:07:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from host224.ipowerweb.com ([66.235.220.224]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02693 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpe-66-27-116-71.san.res.rr.com ([66.27.116.71] helo=Zeke) by host224.ipowerweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2C1G-0007GJ-2g; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:06:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c59c43$f7b010a0$887ba8c0@Zeke> From: "James Brown" To: "SETI League Public" , "SETI League Argus" Subject: SETI public: Remote SETI Client Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:06:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C59C09.4B180030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host224.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - seti1.setileague.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - seti.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C59C09.4B180030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a new version of the Remote SETI Client on my web site now: http://www.seti.net/SETINet/SETINet.htm This one is a work alike from the last version but it has been = reorganized to allow me to proceed with the radio control section. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C59C09.4B180030-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 8 19:40:06 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78Je5Na032458 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:40:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA04976 for public-list; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:30:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f24.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.34]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04972; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:27:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:26:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Extremophiles: Not So Extreme? Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:26:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 19:27:48.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[42E524B0:01C59C4F] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Science/Astronomy: * Extremophiles: Not So Extreme? http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_extremophiles_050804.html Many of them are tiny, all of them are tough, and they could be your most distant ancestors. True to their name (which is a Greco-Latin combo for �someone who loves extremes�), extremophiles can batten and fatten in conditions that humans � and most other species � would consider off limits. From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 8 19:47:57 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78Jlvd2032540 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:47:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA05253 for public-list; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:40:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f15.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.25]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05248; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:40:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:39:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: First Brown Dwarf Science from Laser Guide Star Adaptive Optics Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:39:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 19:40:00.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6F4EB10:01C59C50] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508082 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:52:23 GMT (128kb) Title: Kelu-1 is a Binary L Dwarf: First Brown Dwarf Science from Laser Guide Star Adaptive Optics Authors: Michael C. Liu (IfA/Hawaii), Sandy K. Leggett (UKIRT/JAC) Comments: Astrophysical Journal, in press. 24 pages. (Note that Figure 1 of the PDF version is degraded by arxiv.org. The Postscript version is fine.) \\ (Abridged) We present near-IR imaging of the nearby L dwarf Kelu-1 obtained with the Keck sodium laser guide star adaptive optics (LGS AO) system as part of a high angular resolution survey for substellar binaries. Kelu-1 was one of the first free-floating L dwarfs identified, and the origin of its overluminosity compared to other similar objects has been a long-standing question. Our images clearly resolve Kelu-1 into a 0.29'' (5.4 AU) binary, and a previous non-detection by HST demonstrates that the system is a true physical pair. Binarity explains the properties of Kelu-1 that were previously noted to be anomalous compared to other early-L dwarfs. We estimate spectral types of L1.5-L3 and L3-L4.5 for the two components, giving model-derived masses of 0.05-0.07 Msun and 0.045-0.065 Msun for an estimated age of 0.3-0.8 Gyr. More distant companions are not detected to a limit of 5-9 Mjup. The presence of lithium absorption indicates that both components are substellar, but the weakness of this feature relative to other L dwarfs may arise from the fact that only Kelu-1B is Li-bearing. Determining if both or if only one of the components possesses lithium could constrain the age of Kelu-1 (and other Li-bearing L binaries) with higher precision than is possible for most ultracool field objects. These results are the first LGS AO observations of brown dwarfs and demonstrate the potential of this new instrumental capability for substellar astronomy. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508082 , 128kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 8 19:50:25 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78JoPRl032551 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:50:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA05439 for public-list; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:43:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f13.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.23]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05434; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:43:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:43:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: On the potential of extrasolar planet transit surveys Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:43:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 19:43:22.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F5FCAC0:01C59C51] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508109 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:23:01 GMT (73kb) Title: On the potential of extrasolar planet transit surveys Authors: M. Gillon, F. Courbin, P. Magain, B. Borguet Comments: 15 figures \\ We analyze the respective benefits and drawbacks of ground-based and space-based transit surveys for extrasolar planets. Based on simple but realistic assumptions about the fraction of lower main sequence stars harboring telluric and giant planets within the outer limit of the habitable zone, we predict the harvests of fictitious surveys with three existing wide field optical and near-IR cameras: the CFHT-Megacam, SUBARU-Suprime and VISTA-IR. An additional promising instrument is considered, VISTA-Vis, currently under development. The results are compared with the harvests predicted under exactly the same assumptions, for the space missions COROT and KEPLER. We show that ground-based wide field surveys may discover more giant planets than space missions such as COROT or KEPLER, and that they are as efficient as COROT at detecting telluric planets. The KEPLER mission remains the more promising way of discovering telluric planets, being 50 times more efficient than any of the ground-based surveys considered here. KEPLER might even discover telluric planets in the habitable zone of their host star. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508109 , 73kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 8 20:01:51 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78K1pRK032594 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:01:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA05747 for public-list; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f6.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.16]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05743; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:53:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:53:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org, fpspace@friends-partners.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Kolmogorov Complexity, String Information, Panspermia and the Fermi Paradox Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:53:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 19:53:22.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4BEC2D0:01C59C52] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper (*cross-listing*): physics/0508010 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:13:14 GMT (4kb) Title: Kolmogorov Complexity, String Information, Panspermia and the Fermi Paradox Authors: V.G.Gurzadyan Comments: To appear in The Observatory Subj-class: General Physics \\ Bit strings rather than byte files can be a mode of transmission both for intelligent signals and for travels of extraterrestrial life. Kolmogorov complexity, i.e. the minimal length of a binary coded string completely defining a system, can then, due to its universality, become a key concept in the strategy of the search of extraterrestrials. Evaluating, for illustration, the Kolmogorov complexity of the human genome, one comes to an unexpected conclusion that a low complexity compressed string - analog of Noah's ark - will enable the recovery of the totality of terrestrial life. The recognition of bit strings of various complexity up to incompressible Martin-L\"{o}f random sequences, will require a different strategy for the analysis of the cosmic signals. The Fermi paradox "Where is Everybody?" can be viewed under in the light of such information panspermia, i.e. a Universe full of traveling life streams. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0508010 , 4kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Aug 9 08:39:14 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j798dEQB011990 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:39:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id EAA24793 for public-list; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 04:30:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Krypton1.melitacable.com (ns.melitacable.com [212.56.128.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24774; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 04:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vol.net.mt (ppp-130-36-dial3.as.vol.net.mt [212.56.130.36]) by Krypton1.melitacable.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j796WmOu024966; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:32:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42F84CD3.5E845C23@vol.net.mt> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:27:35 +0200 From: Alex Michael Bonnici X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FPSpace , setipublic , BioAstro , "spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com" , SSI List , H G Wells Literary Forum , Carl Sagan Subject: SETI public: The Locke Moon Hoax or the Great Moon Hoax of 1835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Hello Gang, Its Tuesday Morning, August 25, 1835 newspaper boys are yelling at the top of their lungs and announcing the startling discovery of a civilization on the Moon. August 25, 1835 marks the 170th anniversary of the famous Locke Moon Hoax or the Great Moon Hoax of 1835. This Hoax was perpetuated by Richard Adams Locke a direct linear descendent of the famous political philosopher John Locke. This story has always held a great deal of fascination for me since I first came across it back in 1968 in the How and Why Wonder Book of The Moon. My Parents (God bless them both) seeing that I had an insatiable interest in Science and Space introduced me to that series of books and many others. So began my life long habit of voracious reading. Here is some background information concerning the Hoax which I obtained from the following web site: http://www.xtec.es/recursos/astronom/ask/refmoon.htm Further links regarding this episode of 19th Century SETI and the whole series of articles as they appeared in the New York Sun are provided below. "Every History of American journalistic hoaxing properly begins with the celebrated moon hoax which "made" the New York Sun of Benjamin Day. It consisted of a series of articles, allegedly reprinted from the nonexistent Edinburgh Journal of Science, relating to the discovery of life on the moon by Sir John Herschel, eminent British astronomer, who some time before had gone to the Cape of Good Hope to try out a new type of powerful telescope. The first installment of the moon hoax appeared in the August 25, 1835 edition of the New York Sun on page two, under the heading "Celestial Discoveries." The brief passage read in part as follows: "We have just learnt (sic) from an eminent publisher in this city that Sir John Herschel at the Cape of Good Hope, has made some astronomical discoveries of the most wonderful description, by means of an immense telescope of an entirely new principle." As a mater of fact, Herschel had gone to South Africa in January, 1834, and set up an observatory at Cape Town. Three columns of the first page of the Sun contained a story credited to the Edinburgh Journal of Science. (That publication had suspended some time before.) There was a great deal of matter about the importance of Herschel�s impending announcement of his discoveries. On August 25, the Sun ran four columns describing what Sir John had been able to see, looking at the moon through his telescope. So fascinating were the descriptions of trees and vegetation, oceans and beaches, bison and goats, cranes and pelicans that the whole town was talking even before the fourth installment appeared on August 28, 1835, with the master revelation of all: the discovery of furry, winged men resembling bats. The narration was printed as follows: "We counted three parties of these creatures, of twelve, nine and fifteen in each, walking erect towards a small wood... Certainly they were like human beings, for their wings had now disappeared and their attitude in walking was both erect and dignified... About half of the first party had passed beyond our canvas; but of all the others we had perfectly distinct and deliberate view. They averaged four feet in height, were covered, except on the face, with short and glossy copper-colored hair, and had wings composed of a thin membrane, without hair, lying snugly upon their backs from the top of the shoulders to the calves of their legs. The face, which was of a yellowish color, was an improvement upon that of the large orangutan... so much so that but for their long wings they would look as well on a parade ground as some of the old cockney militia. The hair of the head was a darker color than that of the body, closely curled but apparently not woolly, and arranged in two circles over the temples of the forehead. Their feet could only be seen as they were alternately lifted in walking; but from what we could see of them in so transient a view they appeared thin and very protuberant at the heel...We could perceive that their wings possessed great expansion and were similar in structure of those of the bat, being a semitransparent membrane expanded in curvilinear divisions by means of straight radii, united at the back by dorsal integuments. But what astonished us most was the circumstance of this membrane being continued from the shoulders to the legs, united all the way down, though gradually decreasing in width. The wings seemed completely under the command of volition, for those of the creatures whom we saw bathing in the water spread them instantly to their full width, waved them as ducks do theirs to shake off the water, and then as instantly closed them again in a compact form. The Sun reached a circulation of 15,000 daily on the first of the stories. When the discovery of men on the moon appeared Day was able to announce that the Sun possessed the largest circulation of any newspaper in the world: 19,360. Later stories told of the Temple of the Moon, constructed of sapphire, with a roof of yellow resembling gold. There were pillars seventy feet high and six feet thick supporting the roof of the temple. More man-bats were discovered and readers of the Sun were awaiting more astounding details, but the Sun told them the telescope had, unfortunately, been left facing the east and the Sun's rays, concentrated through the lenses, burned a hole "15 feet in circumference" entirely through the reflecting chamber, putting the observatory out of commission. Rival editors were frantic; many of them pretended to have access to the original articles and began reprinting the Sun's series. It was not until the Journal of Commerce sought permission to publish the series in pamphlet form, however, that Richard Adams Locke, confessed authorship. Some authorities think that a French scientist, Nicollet, in this country at the time, wrote them. Before Locke's confession a committee of scientists from Yale University hastened to New York to inspect the original articles; it was shunted from editorial office to print shop and back again until it tired and returned to New Haven. Edgar Allan Poe explained that he stopped work on the second part of The Strange Adventures of Hans Pfaall because he had felt he had been outdone. So many writers have perpetuated the legend that Harriet Martineau in her Retrospect of Western Travel said a Springfield, Massachusetts, missionary society resolved to send missionaries to the moon to convert and civilize the bat men. After a number of his competitors, humiliated because they had "lifted" the series and passed it off as their own, upbraided Day, the Sun of September 16, 1835, admitted the hoax. When the hoax was exposed people were generally amused. It did not seem to lessen interest in the Sun, which never lost its increased circulation." http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax.html Read the story by Edgar Allan Poe that inspired Locke: The Unparalleled Adventures of One Hans Pfaal http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/P/PoeEdgarAllan/prose/raven_1/hanspfaal.html Enjoy and happy anniversary, Alex Michael Bonnici From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Aug 9 12:48:30 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79CmT3E013021 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:48:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA01334 for public-list; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f8.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.18]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01330; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 05:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:33:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Is Methane The First Direct Sign Of Extra-Terrestrial Life? Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:33:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 12:33:56.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C3C2FB0:01C59CDE] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 LIVING MARS - Is Methane The First Direct Sign Of Extra-Terrestrial Life? http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-life-05t.html Moffett Field CA (SPX) Aug 09, 2005 - Are microbes making the methane that's been found on Mars, or does the hydrocarbon gas come from geological processes? It's the question that everybody wants to answer, but nobody can. What will it take to convince the jury? - Mars, The Blue Ecosynthesis http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-terraform-05b.html - Prozac For Plants http://www.terradaily.com/news/mars-life-05u.html ------------- INNER PLANETS - Venus Express Launch Campaign Starts http://www.spacedaily.com/news/venus-05b.html Toulouse, France (ESA) Aug 09, 2005 - ESA's Venus Express spacecraft recently completed its last phase of testing in Europe and is ready to be shipped to its launch site at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. --------- MARSDAILY - Five Easy Pieces - The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-mro-05f.html Moffett Field CA (SPX) Aug 09, 2005 - The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, set to launch on August 10, will search for evidence that liquid water once persisted on the surface of Mars. This orbiter also will provide detailed surveys of the planet, identifying any obstacles that could jeopardize the safety of future landers and rovers. - Latest US Mars Mission Plans Most Detailed Views Of Red Planet Yet Seen http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-mro-05g.html ----------- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Aug 9 20:28:37 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79KSa3U015245 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:28:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id QAA13519 for public-list; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:20:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f28.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.38]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13509; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:19:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:19:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: bioastro@setileague.org Cc: public@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: A rational explanation for alien abductions - sleep paralysis Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:19:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 20:19:18.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EA41E70:01C59D1F] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 http://www.habitablezone.com/currentevents/messages/390600.html Sleep paralysis is a little known but real brain phenomenon where folks experience a waking nightmare with evil goblins entering their room, siting on their chest, uttering threats and inhibiting their breathing. Sleep paralysis embodies a universal, biologically based explanation for pervasive beliefs in spirits and supernatural beings, even in the United States, Hufford argues. The experience thrusts mentally healthy people into a bizarre, alternative world that they frequently find difficult to chalk up to a temporary brain glitch. Many who experience sleep paralysis also report sensations of floating, flying, falling, or leaving one's body. Two brain systems contribute to sleep paralysis, Cheyne proposes. The most prominent one consists of inner-brain structures that monitor one's surroundings for threats and launches responses to perceived dangers. As Cheyne sees it, REM-based activation of this system, in the absence of any real threat, triggers a sense of an ominous entity lurking nearby. Other neural areas that contribute to REM-dream imagery could draw on personal and cultural knowledge to flesh out the evil presence. A second brain system, which includes sensory and motor parts of the brain's outer layer, distinguishes one's own body and self from those of other creatures. When REM activity prods this system, a person experiences sensations of floating, flying, falling, leaving one's body, and other types of movement. The article describes how cultural influences affect those experiencing SP, Cambodian refugees, African Americans, etc. What's really interesting is that this scientifically researched phenomema may help explain those ludicrous tales of alien abductions. The victims aren't really the gullible fools they seem to be but just folks experiencing sleep paralysis influenced by their UFO 'culture'. Accounts of space-alien encounters typically begin with the abductee waking in the night while lying face up, McNally says. The person can't move but senses electric vibrations. A feeling of terror makes breathing difficult. Alien beings advance to the foot of the bed or climb on top of the person, who then experiences a sense of floating or of being transported to an alien craft. Days or weeks later, in response to a therapist's hypnotic suggestions, the abductee may generate details of being sexually probed or otherwise assaulted by the aliens, McNally notes. Claims of abductions by space aliens trigger much controversy, media attention, and ridicule. The late Harvard psychiatrist John Mack fueled the hubbub by defending the accounts as descriptions of actual encounters with visitors from other planets. There's another, far more likely, explanation for the reported experiences of the "abductees," says McNally. Traumatic encounters that a person seems to experience during sleep paralysis feel as vividly real as anything that happens during the day does, he notes. Despite their fantastic claims, these people are mentally healthy, says McNally. McNally and Clancy linked the claims of 10 alien abductees to episodes of sleep paralysis. Even the most rational people who experience sleep paralysis often find it difficult to write off their nighttime ordeals as unreal, Hufford notes. He has interviewed many U.S. medical students who, even after hearing about REM sleep and the brain's threat-detection system, insist that their frightening meetings with the Night Crusher were real. Until sharing their stories with Hufford, most of the students had never told them to anyone. From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Aug 11 13:24:15 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDOF95022172 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:24:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA16388 for public-list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:15:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f24.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.34]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16383; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:14:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Unknown class of transient radio source labeled white dwarf pulsar Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:14:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 13:14:58.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACA82F40:01C59E76] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508213 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:47:17 GMT (10kb) Title: GCRT J1745-3009 as a Transient White Dwarf Pulsar Authors: Bing Zhang (UNLV), Janusz Gil (Zielona Gora Univ. & UNLV) Comments: 4 pages, submitted to ApJL \\ A transient radio source in the direction of the Galactic Center, GCRT J1745-3009, exhibited 5 peculiar consecutive outbursts at 0.33 GHz with a period of 77.13 minutes and a duration of ~10 minutes for each outburst. It has been claimed to be the prototype of a hitherto unknown class of transient radio sources. We interpret it as a transient white dwarf pulsar with a period of 77.13 minutes. The ~10-minute flaring duration corresponds to the epoch when the radio beam sweeps our line of sight. The bursting epoch corresponds to the episodes when stronger sunspot-like magnetic fields emerge into the white dwarf polar cap region during which the pair production condition is satisfied and the white dwarf behaves like a radio pulsar. It switches off as the pair production condition breaks down. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508213 , 10kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Aug 12 13:03:19 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CD3JfB030674 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:03:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA22612 for public-list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:51:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-dav2.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.74]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22608; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:51:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.201 by BAY103-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:51:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.201] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Philip Klass, 85, Dies; Aviation Journalist, UFO Debunker Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:51:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:51:14 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2005 12:51:15.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[86BBDCC0:01C59F3C] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081002167.html Philip Klass, 85, Dies; Aviation Journalist, UFO Debunker By Claudia Levy Special to The Washington Post Thursday, August 11, 2005; B05 Philip J. Klass, 85, an aviation journalist who investigated UFO sightings and wrote books debunking reports of visits from outer space, died Aug. 9 at a nursing facility in Cocoa, Fla. He had cancer. Mr. Klass lived in Washington for more than 50 years before moving to Merritt Island, Fla., in 2003. He had retired as senior avionics editor of Aviation Week & Space Technology in 1986 but continued to contribute to the magazine for a number of years. He is credited with coining the term "avionics," a blending of aviation and electronics. His work, which included one of the first books about spy satellite technology, "Secret Sentries in Space" (1971), won him honors in the field of aeronautical journalism and engineering. He was more widely recognized as an authority on unidentified flying objects. He was reviled as a "disinformer" by believers in alien beings, particularly those who insisted they had been abducted for scientific testing. Mr. Klass, an electrical engineer by training, said he based his assessments on methodical research and visits to the field. "While some people gaze at the sky and see flying saucers or bright balls of light," one biographer observed, "Klass sees atmospheric phenomena, celestial bodies and airplanes trailing advertising banners." In a 1993 debate on "Larry King Live" with David Jacobs, a Temple University professor who wrote a book suggesting that more than 1 million Americans had been abducted and taken aboard UFOs for study, Mr. Klass observed: "If aliens are invading our bedrooms, impregnating our teenage girls; if they're abducting little children, cutting flesh samples out without even putting Band-Aids on; if you're not safe anywhere on the face of the Earth -- then it is something that this nation needs to mobilize." His first investigation, in 1966, was of a sighting two years earlier near Socorro, N.M. He found that it had been a hoax perpetrated in an attempt to bring tourism to the economically depressed town. Mr. Klass went on to write seven books, including the well-regarded "UFOs Explained" (1975). He was interviewed on news broadcasts that included the "CBS Evening News" and for television programs devoted to space phenomena. "In nearly 30 years of searching, investigating famous cases, I have yet to find one that cannot be explained in down-to-earth prosaic terms," Mr. Klass told interviewers for the PBS program "NOVA." "Therefore, if somebody says to me, 'I have been abducted by strange-looking creatures that do these dreadful things to me,' I'm quite confident that they could not possibly be extraterrestrials. . . . I am quite confident that there is no scientific, credible evidence to show that we've had alien visitors, let alone that they're doing these dreadful things." Mr. Klass wrote about extraterrestrial issues in his own Skeptics UFO Newsletter and appeared on talk shows and lectured widely. His investigative findings were routinely criticized by people and organizations who took seriously UFOs and alien abductions. He once told an interviewer: "I've found that roughly 97, 98 percent of the people who report seeing UFOs are fundamentally intelligent, honest people who have seen something -- usually at night, in darkness -- that is unfamiliar, that they cannot explain." He said the sightings were often of objects such as reentering satellites, meteor fireballs and hot-air balloons. His books included "UFO Abductions: a Dangerous Game" (1988) and "The Real Roswell Crashed-Saucer Coverup" (1997). In the first, he promised $10,000 to any victim whose abduction by aliens could be confirmed by the FBI. No one ever collected. Mr. Klass was born in Des Moines and raised in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. After graduating from Iowa State University, he worked for a decade at General Electric as an electrical engineer. He joined Aviation Week in 1952 and later wrote extensively about surveillance satellites for that industry publication. He was a fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers and a founder of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. He was awarded top honors of the Aviation/Space Writers Association, the Lauren D. Lyman Award of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the Boeing Decade of Excellence Award for lifetime achievement. His investigative papers form the Philip Klass Collection of the American Philosophical Society. An asteroid discovered in 1983 was named in his honor. Before he took on UFO debunking as a full-time avocation, Mr. Klass was a Civil War buff. He designed and built animated electronic battle displays used by the National Park Service at the Gettysburg and Antietam battlefields. His other interests included skiing and sailing. He was a member of the National Press Club and the National Aviation Club. Survivors include his wife of 25 years, Nadya Ganev Klass of Merritt Island; two stepchildren, Anton Ganev of Olney and Diana Dryden, both of Merritt Island; a sister, Rosanne Klass of New York; and three grandchildren. From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Aug 12 13:52:50 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDqoIV031041 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:52:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA23980 for public-list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:45:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f21.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.31]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23976; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:44:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:44:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: A novel solution to Fermi's Paradox Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:44:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2005 13:44:35.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9CC53F0:01C59F43] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 One intriguing solution to the Fermi paradox appears in Karl Schroeder's novel Permanence (New York: Tor Books, 2002). Using a hypothesis from evolutionary biology called 'adaptationism,' Schroeder's protagonist argues that consciousness is not necessarily required for toolmaking. "In fact, consciousness appears to be a phase. No species we have studied has retained what we could call self-awareness for its entire history. Certainly none has evolved into some state above consciousness." This view is so strikingly at variance with our conventional view of the universe that it brings most readers (including this one) up short. Astronomer Milan M. �irkovi� (Astronomical Observatory of Belgrade), who discusses Schroeder's work in a recent issue of the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, puts the case this way: "...our estimates and expectations of the phenomenon of intelligence...are wrong. Intelligence is significant only insofar as it offers an evolutionary advantage, a meaningful response to the selective pressure of the fluctuating environment. Only so far, and no further is the 'selfish gene' willing to carry that piece of luggage." http://www.centauri-dreams.org/2005.08.07_arch.html#1123851983474 http://www.centauri-dreams.org/ From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 17:26:21 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FHQKih010379 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:26:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA18399 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f30.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.40]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18395; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:17:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:17:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: A search for planetary-mass objects and brown dwarfs in the Upper Scorpius assoc Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:17:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2005 17:17:41.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E4F1C30:01C5A1BD] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Paper: astro-ph/0508282 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:09:23 GMT (245kb) Title: A search for planetary-mass objects and brown dwarfs in the Upper Scorpius association Authors: M. T. Costado, V. J. S. Bejar, J. A. Caballero, R. Rebolo, J. Acosta-Pulido, and A. Manchado \Comments: 6 pages, 3 figures. A&A (accepted) \\ We report the results of a deep photometric search for planets and brown dwarfs in the nearby young OB Upper Scorpius association. We obtained optical (I) and near-infrared (JKs) images around nine very low-mass stars and brown dwarf member candidates of the association, covering a total area of 113 arcmin^2. Using a point spread function subtraction technique, we have searched for planetary-mass companions (0.002 Msol < M < 0.013 Msol) at separations as close as 3 arcsec from the targets. We have not found any brown dwarfs more massive than 0.030 Msol at projected distances larger than 70AU, or planets more massive than 0.007 Msol at projected distances larger than 600AU. We set an upper limit of 20% (confidence level 68.3%) to the fraction of very low-mass stars and massive brown dwarfs with planetary mass companions (M > 0.007 Msol) at physical distances larger than 600AU. From the I, I-J colour-magnitude diagrams and follow-up Ks-band photometry, we identify four very red objects (I-J > 2.5) in the area of the survey. According to their positions in the diagram, below the expected theoretical sequence of the cluster, three are probable late M-dwarfs in the field. The faintest and reddest object (J-Ks = 2.39 +/- 0.06) may be either a field intermediate L-dwarf with anomalously red J-Ks colour at a distance of approx. 135pc, an extremely red distant galaxy, or a reddened planetary-mass object in the Upper Scorpius association. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508282 , 245kb) From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 17:37:35 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FHbYLS010467 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:37:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA18812 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:31:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Krypton1.melitacable.com (ns.melitacable.com [212.56.128.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18793; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vol.net.mt (ppp-130-74-dial3.as.vol.net.mt [212.56.130.74]) by Krypton1.melitacable.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7FFYnov000785; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:34:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4300B4D8.225887DD@vol.net.mt> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:29:29 +0200 From: Alex Michael Bonnici X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ACC LIST , Carl Sagan , FPSpace , "transhumantech@yahoogroups.com" , setipublic , BioAstro Subject: SETI public: A Question Related to 2001: A Space Odyssey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Hello Gang, I am looking for a picture in GIF or JPEG format showing a fictitious New York Times frontpage showing USS Discovery departing For Jupiter!!! Does anyone on this list have a link that will direct me to that picture or a copy of the picture that they could send me. I had a copy of that picture but I deleted it by mistake and it isn't in the recycle bin :( Thanks beforehand, Alex Michael Bonnici From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 17:50:46 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FHojxH010570 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:50:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA19194 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:43:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f4.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.14]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19190; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:42:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org, fpspace@friends-partners.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Kurzweil's The Singularity is Near Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:42:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2005 17:42:48.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[C074F3D0:01C5A1C0] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Most of us will become gods. And not one of those wimpy anthropomorphic gods from Greek myth, but gods trillions of times more intelligent than mere mortal men. Such is the thesis of Ray Kurzweil, who argues in The Singularity Is Near that humanity is inexorably headed towards the Singularity. http://techcentralstation.com/081505C.html From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 18:23:41 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FINfgj010812 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:23:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id OAA20086 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:17:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Krypton1.melitacable.com (ns.melitacable.com [212.56.128.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20081 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vol.net.mt (ppp-130-74-dial3.as.vol.net.mt [212.56.130.74]) by Krypton1.melitacable.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7FIL1D2002365; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:21:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4300DBD0.54BF5543@vol.net.mt> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:15:45 +0200 From: Alex Michael Bonnici X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: setipublic , Carl Sagan Subject: SETI public: Edison's Conquest of Mars Online - Original Newspaper Scans Now Online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Hello Gang, Me again. But this time I am providing a tidbit of information today. The famous 19th Century science writer Garret P. Serviss was commissioned by two American Newspapers in 1898 to write a sequel to H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds after it was serialized in the United States in Cosmopolitan Magazine and several newspapers. The online version of the scans of the The New York Evening Journal" published as a serial in January and February of 1898 is now available online at: http://durendal.org:8080/ecom/ Also their is a link via the above page to Apogee books that recently published a paperback version of the Serviss novel. Enjoy, Alex Michael Bonnici From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 19:14:05 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FJE4Nc010977 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:14:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA21423 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:08:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.79]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21419 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8994 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 19:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (4.238.249.168) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2005 19:07:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5a1cc$9de9e940$a8f9ee04@Two> From: "Ronald C. Blue" To: References: Subject: Re: SETI public: Kurzweil's The Singularity is Near Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:07:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 I agree that technology will allow us to posses the knowledge and power of a god a trillion times more powerful than we have imagined by interfacing ourselves to super conscious computers and quantum mechanics technology, but it is likely that this godhood will be a mere reflection of the Great One. Our current understanding of the Great One is very weak. Ron Blue ----- Original Message ----- From: "LARRY KLAES" To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: SETI public: Kurzweil's The Singularity is Near > Most of us will become gods. And not one of those wimpy anthropomorphic > gods from Greek myth, but gods trillions of times more intelligent than > mere mortal men. Such is the thesis of Ray Kurzweil, who argues in The > Singularity Is Near that humanity is inexorably headed towards the > Singularity. > > http://techcentralstation.com/081505C.html > > > > From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 19:56:37 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FJuaM8011192 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:56:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA22552 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:51:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Krypton1.melitacable.com (ns.melitacable.com [212.56.128.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22528; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vol.net.mt (ppp-130-74-dial3.as.vol.net.mt [212.56.130.74]) by Krypton1.melitacable.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7FHs5r2004791; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:54:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4300D57A.FC466550@vol.net.mt> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:48:47 +0200 From: Alex Michael Bonnici X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FPSpace , setipublic , BioAstro , ACC LIST , "spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com" , SSI List , "transhumantech@yahoogroups.com" Subject: SETI public: British Interplanetary Society's (BIS) 1939 Moonship Study and Project Daedalus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Hello Again Gang, I was wondering are there any online versions of the full text of the British Interplanetary Society's (BIS) 1939 Moonship Study and of Project Daedalus' final design study? Also is there an online text version of Sir Arthur C. Clarke's 1945 Wireless World article that outline the theory of the Telecommunications Satellite? Alex From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 21:15:32 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FLFWHE011689 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:15:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id RAA24661 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f8.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.18]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24656; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:09:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:09:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com In-Reply-To: <4300D57A.FC466550@vol.net.mt> From: "LARRY KLAES" To: albonnici@vol.net.mt, fpspace@friends-partners.org, public@setileague.org, bioastro@setileague.org, acc-list@yahoogroups.com, spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, ssi_list@yahoogroups.com, transhumantech@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: SETI public: British Interplanetary Society's (BIS) 1939 Moonship Study and Project Daedalus Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:09:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2005 21:09:16.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[98284EF0:01C5A1DD] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Here is his paper on comsats: http://www.lsi.usp.br/~rbianchi/clarke/ACC.ETRelaysFull.html Larry >From: Alex Michael Bonnici >To: FPSpace , setipublic >, BioAstro , >ACC LIST , "spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com" >, SSI List >, "transhumantech@yahoogroups.com" > >Subject: SETI public: British Interplanetary Society's (BIS) 1939 Moonship >Study and Project Daedalus >Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:48:47 +0200 > >Hello Again Gang, > I was wondering are there any online versions of the >full text of the British Interplanetary Society's (BIS) 1939 Moonship >Study and of Project Daedalus' final design study? Also is there an >online text version of Sir Arthur C. Clarke's 1945 Wireless World >article that outline the theory of the Telecommunications Satellite? > >Alex > From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 23:04:20 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FN4JUf012244 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:04:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id SAA27503 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:57:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Krypton1.melitacable.com (ns.melitacable.com [212.56.128.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27470; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vol.net.mt (ppp-130-8-dial3.as.vol.net.mt [212.56.130.8]) by Krypton1.melitacable.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7FL0TLO002561; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:00:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <43010122.4AF5D17D@vol.net.mt> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:55:04 +0200 From: Alex Michael Bonnici X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LARRY KLAES , setipublic , BioAstro , FPSpace , SSI List , "spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com" Subject: SETI public: "Life Styles of the Rich and Immortal on Holovision" and Re: Kurzweil's The Singularity is Near References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Dear Larry and Friends, My response to Ray Kurzweil's thesis is GOD FORBID!!!!! "Most of us will become gods". NOT BLOODY LIKELY!!!!!!! MOST OF US WILL FACE THE TYRANNY OF RICH AND IMMORTAL OVERLORDS!!!!!!!! Larry this critique is not a personal attack on you.nor Ray. I have always admired Ray's work in developing technologies that have helped people with disabiliites. And with the way things have been going for me personally healthwise I may be needing Ray's reading machine within the next couple of years or sooner. I am beginning to share Bill Joy's views on the subject of Transhumanism. The world is already divided by economic and technological disparity as it is. This development will only lead to even greater divisions in the human family. In my old age I am finding myself increasingly conservative and can no longer support the transhumanist cause nor useless extravaganzas of sending the rich on cislunar holiday tours. In recent months the rich nations of the World dragged their feet to raise just a few million dollars to prevent a famine in the African nation of Niger. Where are our priorities? I have always supported the space program and still do. But, what happed to the grassroots support for such programs as Solar Power Satellites, Alternative Energy, Global Education via Telecommunications Satellites, and Space Industralization that could allivate global poverty? Why has the whole space movement gone astray? My stomach turns at the whole prospect of the immortal rich enjoying holiday tours of the heavens while the vast majority of humanity wallows in abject poverty. What happened to Science in the service of humanity? What next "Life Styles of the Rich and Immortal on Holovision"? Alex Michael Bonnici LARRY KLAES wrote: > Most of us will become gods. And not one of those wimpy anthropomorphic gods > from Greek myth, but gods trillions of times more intelligent than mere > mortal men. Such is the thesis of Ray Kurzweil, who argues in The > Singularity Is Near that humanity is inexorably headed towards the > Singularity. > > http://techcentralstation.com/081505C.html From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Aug 15 23:59:51 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FNxpUf012593 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:59:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id TAA28978 for public-list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:52:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.194]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28974 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29057 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 23:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (4.238.147.33) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2005 23:51:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000301c5a1f4$549f5ef0$2193ee04@Two> From: "Ronald C. Blue" To: References: <43010122.4AF5D17D@vol.net.mt> Subject: Re: SETI public: "Life Styles of the Rich and Immortal on Holovision" and Re: Kurzweil's The Singularity is Near Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:51:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on Sentry.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 > My response to Ray Kurzweil's thesis is GOD > FORBID!!!!! "Most of us will become gods". NOT BLOODY LIKELY!!!!!!! MOST > OF US > WILL FACE THE TYRANNY OF RICH AND IMMORTAL OVERLORDS!!!!!!!! I can understand your position, but consider a world where energy is very cheap, robots make every thing, and each person has access to and understands the total human knowledge base. Economics is built on scarcity. A money system will probably always exist because it is a voting system for limited resources, but for all practical purposes poverty as we understand should disappear. This then brings