From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 1 17:57:09 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j321v7Jq011245 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id UAA19829 for public-list; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:49:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from OMC1-S10.phx.gbl (omc1-s10.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.212]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19825; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.86]) by OMC1-S10.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:48:29 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:48:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by BAY103-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 01:48:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Can Life develop in the expanded habitable zones around Red Giant Stars? Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:48:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0200_01C536FC.28D36BD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:48:29 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2005 01:48:29.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[1172D370:01C53726] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C536FC.28D36BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0503520 Astrophysics, abstract astro-ph/0503520 From: William Danchi [view = email] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:46:20 GMT (58kb) Can Life develop in the expanded habitable zones around Red Giant Stars? Authors: Bruno = Lopez, = Jean = Schneider, William C. = Danchi We present some new ideas about the possibility of life developing = around sub-giant and red giant stars. Our study concerns the temporal = evolution of the habitable zone. The distance between the star and the = habitable zone, as well as its width, increases with time as a = consequence of stellar evolution. The habitable zone moves outward after = the star leaves the main sequence, sweeping a wider range of distances = from the star until the star reaches the tip of the asymptotic giant = branch. If life could form and evolve over time intervals from $5 \times = 10^8$ to $10^9$ years, then there could be habitable planets with life = around red giant stars. For a 1 M$_{\odot}$ star at the first stages of = its post main-sequence evolution, the temporal transit of the habitable = zone is estimated to be of several 10$^9$ years at 2 AU and around = 10$^8$ years at 9 AU. Under these circumstances life could develop at = distances in the range 2-9 AU in the environment of sub-giant or giant = stars and in the far distant future in the environment of our own Solar = System. After a star completes its first ascent along the Red Giant = Branch and the He flash takes place, there is an additional stable = period of quiescent He core burning during which there is another = opportunity for life to develop. For a 1 M$_{\odot}$ star there is an = additional $10^9$ years with a stable habitable zone in the region from = 7 to 22 AU. Space astronomy missions, such as proposed for the = Terrestrial Planet Finder (TPF) and Darwin should also consider the = environments of sub-giants and red giant stars as potentially = interesting sites for understanding the development of life.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C536FC.28D36BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 

Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0503520

From: William =
Danchi [view =
email]
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:46:20 GMT   (58kb)

Can Life develop in the expanded habitable zones around Red Giant=20 Stars?

Authors: B= runo=20 Lopez, Jean=20 Schneider, = William=20 C. Danchi
We present some new ideas about the possibility of life = developing around=20 sub-giant and red giant stars. Our study concerns the temporal = evolution of=20 the habitable zone. The distance between the star and the habitable = zone, as=20 well as its width, increases with time as a consequence of stellar = evolution.=20 The habitable zone moves outward after the star leaves the main = sequence,=20 sweeping a wider range of distances from the star until the star = reaches the=20 tip of the asymptotic giant branch. If life could form and evolve over = time=20 intervals from $5 \times 10^8$ to $10^9$ years, then there could be = habitable=20 planets with life around red giant stars. For a 1 M$_{\odot}$ star at = the=20 first stages of its post main-sequence evolution, the temporal transit = of the=20 habitable zone is estimated to be of several 10$^9$ years at 2 AU and = around=20 10$^8$ years at 9 AU. Under these circumstances life could develop at=20 distances in the range 2-9 AU in the environment of sub-giant or giant = stars=20 and in the far distant future in the environment of our own Solar = System.=20 After a star completes its first ascent along the Red Giant Branch and = the He=20 flash takes place, there is an additional stable period of quiescent = He core=20 burning during which there is another opportunity for life to develop. = For a 1=20 M$_{\odot}$ star there is an additional $10^9$ years with a stable = habitable=20 zone in the region from 7 to 22 AU. Space astronomy missions, such as = proposed=20 for the Terrestrial Planet Finder (TPF) and Darwin should also = consider the=20 environments of sub-giants and red giant stars as potentially = interesting=20 sites for understanding the development of life.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C536FC.28D36BD0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 1 18:04:30 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3224SJq029680 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id UAA20136 for public-list; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:58:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from OMC2-S24.phx.gbl (omc2-s24.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.249.34]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20132; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.90]) by OMC2-S24.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:58:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:58:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by BAY103-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 01:58:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: First Confirmed Picture of a Planet Beyond the Solar System Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:58:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0298_01C536FD.7F733690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:58:04 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2005 01:58:04.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[68A9FC30:01C53727] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0298_01C536FD.7F733690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Science/Astronomy: * EXCLUSIVE: First Confirmed Picture of a Planet Beyond the Solar System http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050401_first_extrasolarplanet_pic.h= tml After a few close calls, astronomers have finally obtained the first = photograph of a planet beyond our solar system, SPACE.com has learned. = And this time they're sure. * Red Giants and Planets To Live On http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/technovel_redgiant_050= 401.html Astronomers have long thought that the best place for life as we know it = is a planet in the "habitable zone" - the range of orbits that leads to = planets with liquid water - surrounding a main sequence star like our = sun. Science fiction writers know better - and now astronomers are = rethinking past work. * Five Out of Five Researchers Agree: Earth's Solar System Special http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050331_asimov_debate.html Though researchers find more and more distant planets revolving around = alien suns, the discoveries highlight that Earth and its solar system = may be an exceptionally rare place indeed. * Censoring Science: IMAX and Evolution http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_censorship_050331.html If science centers avoid presenting the factual basis for the theory of = evolution, they do a disservice to the public-those who question = evolution and those who do not. ------=_NextPart_000_0298_01C536FD.7F733690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Science/Astronomy:

* EXCLUSIVE: First Confirmed Picture of a = Planet=20 Beyond the Solar System

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050401_first_extrasola= rplanet_pic.html

After=20 a few close calls, astronomers have finally obtained the first = photograph of a=20 planet beyond our solar system, SPACE.com has learned. And this time = they're=20 sure.

* Red Giants and Planets To Live On
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/tech= novel_redgiant_050401.html

Astronomers=20 have long thought that the best place for life as we know it is a planet = in the=20 "habitable zone" - the range of orbits that leads to planets with liquid = water -=20 surrounding a main sequence star like our sun. Science fiction writers = know=20 better - and now astronomers are rethinking past work.

* Five Out = of Five=20 Researchers Agree: Earth's Solar System Special
= http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050331_asimov_debate.html
Though=20 researchers find more and more distant planets revolving around alien = suns, the=20 discoveries highlight that Earth and its solar system may be an = exceptionally=20 rare place indeed.

* Censoring Science: IMAX and Evolution
h= ttp://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_censorship_050331.html

= If=20 science centers avoid presenting the factual basis for the theory of = evolution,=20 they do a disservice to the public-those who question evolution and = those who do=20 not.

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Paul Shuch" Subject: SETI public: SETI League Press Release 05-05 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <425030C8.2060608@setileague.org> Organization: The SETI League, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETI League Seeks Engineering Intern For more information contact: Dr. H. Paul Shuch, Executive Director (201) 641-1770, or email info @ setileague.org Little Ferry, NJ.., 3 April 2005 -- Thanks to a significant hardware donation from a corporate sponsor, The SETI League, Inc. is now looking for a full/part time intern to advance a cutting-edge SETI project at its Northern New Jersey headquarters. Since the project is largely software-based, only part-time attendance at HQ will be necessary. The Project The SETI League has received a major donation of equipment, including high-speed A/D converters, digital receivers, and Quad-TI6701 floating point DSP boards. These are all "VME" boards which together can form the foundation of a microwave receiver capable of searching a million channels or more for narrowband signals possibly transmitted by extraterrestrial aliens. This is all modern hardware (most manufactured by Pentek) with enormous processing power. In order to be useful, software will have to be written to unify the boards into a working receiver, and to process the data to find signals in the noise. This potentially enormous job is simplified somewhat by resources available on the Internet, but it is still a lot of work. The "Job" The SETI League is looking for someone who is willing to work on this project for several months, or longer if possible. It will require selfless devotion for minimal reward. (The project has no budget.) 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>From: "Astrobiology Magazine"<astronaut@astrobio.net>
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>Subject: Latest News from the Astrobiology Magazine
>Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 02:32:06 -0700
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>The Martian Mortal Coil
>http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1510.html
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>While the Spirit and Opportunity rovers continue to investigate Mars, scientists are already testing more advanced rovers for future missions. Nathalie Cabrol, a planetary geologist with NASA Ames and the SETI Institute, and a member of the Mars Exploration Rover team, has been testing the rover prototype, Zoë.
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>Chemistry of Fireball Extinction
>http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1509.html
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>Scientists have explained how a globe-encircling residue formed in the aftermath of the asteroid impact that triggered the extinction of the dinosaurs. The study draws the most detailed picture yet of the complicated chemistry of the fireball produced in the impact.
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>April Solar Eclipse
>http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1508.html
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>Solar eclipses are grand cosmic events that no nature-watcher wants to miss -- and an opportunity to see one will occur for most of the southern United States on Friday afternoon, April 8th.
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>Medusa on Mars
>http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1507.html
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>Images, taken by the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on board ESA's Mars Express spacecraft, show part of the Medusa Fossae formation and adjacent areas at the highland-lowland boundary on Mars.
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From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Apr 4 18:46:02 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j351k1Jq027375 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id VAA29240 for public-list; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29218; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.105.211.52]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IEG00JA59XHB9J7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:39:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:39:26 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: SETI public: SETI League 2005 Annual Meeting: Less Than Two Weeks To Go! To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4251EC4E.7040406@setileague.org> Organization: The SETI League, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, This is to remind you that the Annual Membership Meeting of The SETI League, Inc. will be held on Sunday morning, 17 April 2005, at 10 AM EDT. Venue, as always, is Room A136, Armstrong Hall, The College of New Jersey, Ewing Township (Trenton area) NJ USA. Details, including links to our Agenda, driving directions, and a campus map, may be found by browsing to . SETI League members, and all interested non-members, are welcome to attend this meeting. There is no registration required, and there is no charge to attend. To vote on any matters coming before the Meeting, your SETI League dues must be current for the 2005 calendar year. Please come to New Jersey to help us shape the future of YOUR SETI League. Yours for SETI Success, Paul -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Apr 6 04:35:54 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j36BZqJq018441 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id HAA18254 for public-list; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:24:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-dav5.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.77]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18250; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:23:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.202 by BAY103-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:23:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.202] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Plenty of Earths await discovery Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:23:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C53A79.968B42D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:23:54 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2005 11:23:51.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BD2AA20:01C53A9B] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C53A79.968B42D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ** Plenty of Earths await discovery ** British researchers are more confident than ever that there are "Earths" = out there waiting to be discovered. < = http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/4411865.stm > ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C53A79.968B42D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
** Plenty of Earths await discovery **
British researchers are more confident than ever that there are = "Earths"=20 out there waiting to be discovered.
------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C53A79.968B42D0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Apr 7 06:19:10 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j37DJ6Jq013820 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA24910 for public-list; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f34.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.44]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24906; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:07:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: The abundance of metals in stars with planets - 2 papers Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:07:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 13:07:56.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0E2EB50:01C53B72] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk


>Paper: astro-ph/0504154

>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:21:04 GMT   (33kb)
>
>Title: Spectroscopic metallicities for planet-host stars: extending the samples
>Authors: N.C. Santos (1,2), G. Israelian (3), M. Mayor (2), J.P. Bento (1),
>   P.C. Almeida (1), S.G. Sousa (1), A. Ecuvillon (3) ((1) Centro de Astronomia
>   e Astrofisica da Universidade de Lisboa, (2) Observatoire de Geneve, (3)
>   Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias)
>Comments: Accepted for publication in A&A
>\\
>   In this paper we present stellar parameters and metallicities for 28
>planet-host stars, as well as for a large volume-limited sample of 54 stars not
>known to be orbited by any planetary-mass companion. These stars add to the
>results presented in our previous series of papers, providing two large and
>uniform samples of 119 planet-hosts and 95 ``single'' stars with accurate
>stellar parameters and [Fe/H] estimates. The analysis of the results further
>confirms that stars with planets are metal-rich when compared with average
>field dwarfs. Important biases that may compromise future studies are also
>discussed. Finally, we compare the metallicity distributions for single
>planet-hosts and planet-hosts in multiple stellar systems. The results show
>that a small difference cannot be excluded, in the sense that the latter sample
>is slighly overmetallic. More data are needed, however, to confirm the validity
>of this correlation.
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504154 ,  33kb)
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>\\
>Paper: astro-ph/0504157
>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:35:19 GMT   (104kb)
>
>Title: Abundances of Na, Mg and Al in stars with giant planets
>Authors: P. Beirao (1), N.C. Santos (1,2), G. Israelian (3), M. Mayor (2) ((1)
>   Centro de Astronomia e Astrofisica da Universidade de Lisboa, (2)
>   Observatoire de Geneve, (3) Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias)
>Comments: Accepted for publication in A&A
>\\
>   We present Na, Mg and Al abundances in a set of 98 stars with known giant
>planets, and in a comparison sample of 41 ``single'' stars. The results show
>that the [X/H] abundances (with X = Na, Mg and Al) are, on average, higher in
>stars with giant planets, a result similar to the one found for iron. However,
>we did not find any strong difference in the [X/Fe] ratios, for a fixed [Fe/H],
>between the two samples of stars in the region where the samples overlap.
>Finally, the data was used to study the Galactic chemical evolution trends for
>Na, Mg and Al, and to discuss the possible influence of planets on this
>evolution. The results, in general similar to the ones obtained by other
>authors, show that the [X/Fe] ratios all decrease as a function of metallicity
>up to solar values. While for Mg and Al this trend then becomes relatively
>constant, for Na we find indications of an upturn up to [Fe/H] values close to
>0.25dex. For metallicities above this value the [Na/Fe] becomes constant.
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504157 ,  104kb)
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>Paper (*cross-listing*): gr-qc/0502099

>replaced with revised version Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:25:36 GMT   (18kb)
>
>Title: Phantom energy traversable wormholes
>Authors: Francisco S. N. Lobo
>Comments: 9 pages, Revtex4. V2: Considerable comments and references added, no
>   physics changes, now 10 pages. Accepted for publication in Physical Review D
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0502099 ,  18kb)
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'Science Guy' Outlines Scientific Innovations

   Consider the following: A 30-meter-wide mirror traveling through
   space that could reach speeds up to 100,000 miles per hour using
   only the momentum of photons from the sun to propel itself. If all
   goes well, this mirror will be launched into an...

http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/04/07/4254ca7fa97da
 
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Look out for giant triangles in space

Instead of listening for alien radio broadcasts, a better strategy
for SETI might be to look for giant structures placed in orbit
around nearby stars
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18624944.800
 
From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 8 06:26:24 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j38DQLJq020518 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA00222 for public-list; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:16:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f2.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.12]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00218; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:15:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:15:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: FW: Is this a Brown Dwarf or an Exoplanet? (ESO Press Release 09/05) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:15:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2005 13:15:52.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[16AE4B00:01C53C3D] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk



>From: esonews@eso.org
>Reply-To: owner-esonews@eso.org
>To: ljk4@msn.com
>Subject: Is this a Brown Dwarf or an Exoplanet? (ESO Press Release 09/05)
>Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:58:03 +0200
>
>Dear subscribers,
>
>
>Making use of the NACO instrument on ESO's Very Large Telescope, a German team of astronomers has taken an image of a companion to the T-Tauri star GQ Lupi. Comparing with archive data obtained with the HST and Subaru, the astronomers could confirm that the two objects move together in the sky. The companion, roughly 250 fainter than GQ Lupi A, is located at 100 AU from it.
>
>Additional NACO spectra show the companion to be a cool and small object. It is however still a matter of debate whether the newly found young sub-stellar companion is an exoplanet or a brown dwarf.
>
>Read all the details and see the three ESO Photos at http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2005/pr-09-05.html
>
>
>With kind regards,
>
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>Paper: astro-ph/0504162

>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:01:46 GMT   (99kb)
>

>Title: Searching for Transiting Planets in Stellar Systems

>Authors: J. Pepper (1) and B. S. Gaudi (2) ((1) The Ohio State University, (2)
>   Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics)
>Comments: 24 pages, 10 figures, submitted to ApJ
>\\
>   We analyze the properties of searches devoted to finding planetary transits
>by observing simple stellar systems, such as globular clusters, open clusters,
>and the Galactic bulge. We develop the analytic tools necessary to predict the
>number of planets that a survey will detect as a function of the parameters of
>the system, the observational setup, site properties, and planet properties. We
>find that the detection probability is generally maximized for I-band
>observations. The signal-to-noise ratio of a planetary transit is weakly
>dependent on the mass of the primary for sources with flux above the sky
>background, and falls very sharply for sources below sky. Therefore the number
>of detectable planets is roughly proportional to the number of stars with
>fluxes above sky (and not necessarily the number of sources with photometric
>error less a given threshold). In order to maximize the number of detections,
>experiments should be tailored such that stars near sky are above the detection
>threshold. Once this requirement is met, the number of detected planets is
>relatively weakly dependent on the detection threshold, diameter of the
>telescope, exposure time, seeing, age of the system, and planet radius. The
>number of detected planets is a strongly decreasing function of the distance to
>the system, implying that the nearest, richest clusters may prove to be optimal
>targets.
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504162 ,  99kb)
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>\\
>Paper: astro-ph/0502276
>replaced with revised version Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:32:45 GMT   (90kb)
>
>Title: Neptune Trojans as a Testbed for Planet Formation
>Authors: E. I. Chiang (UC Berkeley Astronomy) and Y. Lithwick (UC Berkeley
>   Astronomy)
>Comments: Accepted to ApJ April 6, 2005
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0502276 ,  90kb)
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From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 8 12:07:35 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j38J7XJq010758 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id OAA08679 for public-list; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:57:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f35.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.45]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08675 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:56:27 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:56:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: FW: Detecting geometrical arrangemts of artificial objects Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:56:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2005 18:56:27.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[AADFDEE0:01C53C6C] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk





>From: "Robert J. Bradbury" <bradbury@aeiveos.com>
>To: Larry Klaes <ljk4@msn.com>, <arnold@obs-hp.fr>,   "H. Paul Shuch" <n6tx@setileague.org>
>CC: public@setileague.org, <bioastero@setileague.org>
>Subject: Detecting geometrical arrangemts of artificial objects
>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:36:38 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>As Paul points out in the New Scientist article [1] pointed
>out by Larry and the preprint by Luc Arnold [2] this
>approach is properly called SETT.
>
>But the fundamental problem with this approach is that it
>generally has the requirement that a civilization maintain
>itself at a slightly post KT-I level and not progress
>to KT-II level.  At the KT-II level you *aren't* going to
>"see" the star so occultation or transit methods are unlikely
>to work.  I find this requirement of maintaining a slight
>post KT-I level a *highly* dubious assumption and have
>never seen anyone, including some very bright people,
>explain *why* this would be the case.  (As Dyson pointed
>out in his 1960 paper -- even we primitive Earthlings
>have only 800 years of growth at current rates before
>we will have to consume all of the power the sun produces.)
>The only reason I can think of is a solar system that is
>*extremely* short on its supply of metals and yet still somehow
>manages to develop intelligent life.  This seems extremely unlikely
>as well.
>
>As I pointed out in my OSETI III paper [3]:
>  "A small fraction of the material of the solar system provides
>   KT-II level civilizations with billions of lunar diameter
>   telescopes. Because these can be arrayed as an interferometer,
>   their observational capabilities are rather staggering."
>
>Going back to my calculations (on which I based this statement),
>I have a note:
>  "100 billion telescopes the diameter of the moon with ~0.3% of the
>   Dyson Shell mass"
>
>One can go to larger quantities if one uses more of the available mass
>or engineers thiner layers of Al, Ag, Au, etc. for the mirrors.
>(I use 0.037 cm for my mirror thickness which is already quite
>thin but both Drexler and Dyson think that could be used by
>somewhat more advanced civilizations.) [See note 1]  I've never
>calculated how much of a star's light would be obscured by this
>number of telescopes because it depends upon how far they orbit
>from the star.  For best observing conditions one would have
>already constructed a star encompassing "shell" (a Dyson shell)
>to capture all of the energy the star produces and block the solar
>wind from disturbing the telescopes.
>
>Unless someone can come up with a reason why civilizations would
>halt slightly post KT-I (or at KT-I) and not go on to KT-II the
>only way I can think of to detect (not communicate with!) advanced
>ET civilizations would be to observe them in the process of making
>the transition from KT-I to KT-II.  This can be *very* fast if
>they have advanced molecular nanotechnology.  What should be observed
>is a "variable" star that keeps getting dimmer and dimmer until it
>disappears entirely.  This is why the TASS survey [4] is so interesting
>because it keeps going over the same areas of sky every night.
>They are looking for variable stars.  But if any of the stars
>they observe are going from KT-I to KT-II it should be possible
>to pull them out of the data they collect.  The various
>gravitational microlensing surveys may also have data which
>might be useful since they looked at the same sky areas over
>and over again.  But to the best of my knowledge that data isn't
>available to the public while the TASS data is.
>
>The thing to keep in mind is that the stated goal of the TASS
>and gravitational microlensing surveys is to uncover stars that
>follow regular patterns of getting dimmer then brighter or brighter
>then dimmer -- they were not looking for stars that were disappearing
>entirely.
>
>Robert
>
>Note 1.  Obviously keeping telescopes mirrors that thin of
>that size in subwavelength alignment is tricky.  I simply use
>the moon perspective to give people an idea of the scale we
>are talking about.  Obviously there may need to be other
>structural material ("frames") needed to keep everything
>aligned to sub-wavelength requirements.  But if you watch
>the evolution of telescope designs now (the Hobby-Eberly
>comes to mind) the frames are getting much much lighter.
>If one could envision something like special carbon nanotubes
>designed with specific "curves" due to precise molecular bonds
>lining the back of the mirrors you can kind of see that large
>telescope mirrors that are very thin are not "impossible"
>(though moon-sized may be pushing things a bit).
>
>1. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18624944.800
>2. http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0503580
>3. http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/OSETI3/4273-32.html
>    (This was directly following my paper in the SPIE proceedings about
>    Dyson shells that was cited by Dr. Arnold.)
>4. http://www.tass-survey.org/
>
>
From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 8 12:42:36 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j38JgZJq009219 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA09725 for public-list; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:32:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f9.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.19]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09721; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:32:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:32:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: FW: Re: Detecting geometrical arrangemts of artificial objects Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:32:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2005 19:32:22.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF91B4E0:01C53C71] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk



>From: Luc ARNOLD <arnold@obs-hp.fr>
>To: "Robert J. Bradbury" <bradbury@aeiveos.com>
>CC: Larry Klaes <ljk4@msn.com>, "H. Paul Shuch" <n6tx@setileague.org>,  public@setileague.org,  bioastero@setileague.org
>Subject: Re: Detecting geometrical arrangemts of artificial objects
>Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:35:28 +0200
>
>Dr. Bradbury:
>
>I appreciate your advice and comments. Your objection is that these
>artificial transits (these alien artefacts) require that the
>civilization maintains itself at an advanced KT-I level (or slightly
>post-KT-I), which is unlikely, and that the KT-II
>level would hide the star, thus making the research of transit
>artefacts unoperational, excepted during the transition
>KT-I -> II which is very short.
>
>We can also suppose that a civilization decides to keep these
>artefacts 'working' even after it goes to KT-II, assuming these
>artefacts are around another star than the star the young KT-II
>civilization needs to use. Maybe civilizations in double star
>systems
>would more easily do this (the second star is not so far), in order
>to leave a trace of its KT-I successfull achievment and an obvious
>signal for an emerging civilization like we are. Feel free to
>comment.
>
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From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Apr 9 06:47:10 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j39Dl9Jq029354 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 06:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA06644 for public-list; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 09:41:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from web81709.mail.yahoo.com (web81709.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.140]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06640 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 09:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20050409134044.59186.qmail@web81709.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.177.238.200] by web81709.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 06:40:44 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 06:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ocame Subject: SETI public: annual meeting To: public@setileague.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just wondering if anyone else is coming early to the membership meeting next Sunday? It is next Sunday? Right? Anyway, Pat and I have reservations at Amerisuites...same hotel the SETI LEague used last year...for Sat afternoon. CU there! Dave Ocame *********************************** *********************************** Dave Ocame, N1YVV Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory FN31ng -72.53856 longitude 41.16797 latitude Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and, The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Apr 9 07:39:30 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j39EdNJq005829 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id KAA07768 for public-list; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:33:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07764 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.241.77.193]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IEO009RMOGBC4Q2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for public@setileague.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:33:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 10:33:50 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: Re: SETI public: annual meeting In-reply-to: <20050409134044.59186.qmail@web81709.mail.yahoo.com> To: David Ocame Cc: public@setileague.org Message-id: <4257E7CE.9000302@setileague.org> Organization: The SETI League, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20050409134044.59186.qmail@web81709.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk David Ocame wrote: > It is next Sunday? > Right? Correct. > Anyway, Pat and I have reservations at > Amerisuites...same hotel the SETI LEague used last > year...for Sat afternoon. Muriel and I are thinking of doing the same. What is the room rate there this year? -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Apr 9 07:49:05 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j39En4Jq012234 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 07:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id KAA07975 for public-list; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:43:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from web81704.mail.yahoo.com (web81704.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.135]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07969 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20050409144241.18630.qmail@web81704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.177.238.200] by web81704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 07:42:41 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ocame Subject: Re: SETI public: annual meeting To: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Cc: public@setileague.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Very good. We got a rate of $149.00 double occupancy (not including Anakin). Maybe it's not the best rate in town, I don't know. But, we liked it last year and they take pets. Anakin needs a little time away, as well! We'll look for you both there! Dave --- "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" wrote: > David Ocame wrote: > > > It is next Sunday? > > Right? > > Correct. > > > Anyway, Pat and I have reservations at > > Amerisuites...same hotel the SETI LEague used last > > year...for Sat afternoon. > > Muriel and I are thinking of doing the same. What > is the room rate > there this year? > > -- > H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI > League, Inc. > 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ > 07643 USA > voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL > http://www.setileague.org > email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: > drseti@cal.berkeley.edu > > "We Know We're Not Alone!" > > *********************************** *********************************** Dave Ocame, N1YVV Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory FN31ng -72.53856 longitude 41.16797 latitude Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and, The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Apr 10 15:14:26 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3AMEOJq006277 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id SAA16069 for public-list; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:07:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16049; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.241.77.193]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IER007SF43R89UI@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:07:12 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: SETI public: Annual Meeting lodging To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4259A390.2020406@setileague.org> Organization: The SETI League, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, I have just made my room reservations for next Saturday night (the evening prior to our annual Meeting) to stay at the Hampton Inn and Suites Newtown, in Yardley PA (just across the river from Trenton NJ). This is the same hotel we used for the SETICon01, 02, and 03 Hospitality suites. To find a map and directions, click on the SETICon banner on our main page, and then follow the links to SETICon01 (or 02, or 03), and then Lodging. My room rate was $116 plus tax (the AARP rate; the AAA rate is a little higher). As there is no official SETICon hotel this year, I thought I should advise any interested. (Others will be staying at the AmeriSuites Princeton, which hosted SETICon04 last year). Hope to see you all at our Annual Meeting. Remember, Sunday morning, 10 AM, The College of New Jersey, Armstrong Hall room 136. If anyone is interested in an informal social gathering Saturday night, please email me and we can set something up. Yours for SETI Success, Paul -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Apr 11 06:01:58 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3BD1uJq009643 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA03979 for public-list; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:55:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f10.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.20]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03975; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:55:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:55:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: On the Dayside Thermal Emission of Hot Jupiters - Paper Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:55:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2005 12:55:14.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4627DD0:01C53E95] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk

>Paper: astro-ph/0504212

>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:03:19 GMT   (112kb)
>

>Title: On the Dayside Thermal Emission of Hot Jupiters 

>Authors: S. Seager (Carnegie/DTM), L. J. Richardson (NASA GSFC), B. M. S.
>   Hansen (UCLA), K. Menou (Columbia U.), J. Y-K. Cho (Carnegie/DTM), D. Deming
>   (NASA GSFC)
>Comments: 12 pages, 4 figures, submitted to ApJ
>\\
>   We discuss atmosphere models of HD209458b in light of the recent day-side
>flux measurement of HD209458b's secondary eclipse by Spitzer-MIPS at 24
>microns. In addition, we present a revised secondary eclipse IRTF upper limit
>at 2.2 microns which places a stringent constraint on the adjacent H2O
>absorption band depths. These two measurements are complementary because they
>are both shaped by H2O absorption and because the former is on the Wien tail of
>the planet's thermal emission spectrum and the latter is near the thermal
>emission peak. A wide range of models fit the observational data, confirming
>our basic understanding of hot Jupiter atmospheric physics. Although a range of
>models are viable, some models at the hot and cold end of the plausible
>temperature range can be ruled out. One class of previously unconsidered hot
>Jupiter atmospheric models that fit the data are those with C/O >~ 1 (as
>Jupiter may have), which have a significant paucity of H2O compared to solar
>abundance models with C/O = 0.5. The models indicate that HD209458b is in a
>situation intermediate between pure in situ reradiation and very efficient
>redistribution of heat; one which will require a careful treatment of
>atmospheric circulation. We discuss how future wavelength-dependent and
>phase-dependent observations will further constrain the atmospheric circulation
>regime. In the shorter term, additional planned measurements for HD209458b,
>especially Spitzer IRAC photometry, should lift many of the model degeneracies.
>Multiwavelength IR observations constrain the atmospheric structure and
>circulation properties of hot Jupiters and thus open a new chapter in
>quantitative extrasolar planetology.

>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504212 ,  112kb)

 

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>Paper (*cross-listing*): gr-qc/0503097
>replaced with revised version Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:54:25 GMT   (6kb)
>
>Title: Wormholes and Time Travel? Not Likely
>Authors: Leonard Susskind
>Comments: 5 pages, remark added about time delay in identification. Reference
>   added
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0503097 ,  6kb)
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>Paper (*cross-listing*): physics/0503245
>replaced with revised version Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:05:58 GMT   (41kb)
>
>Title: Neutron Stars
>Authors: Gordon Baym and Frederick K. Lamb
>Comments: Encyclopedia of Physics 3rd ed., R.G. Lerner and G.L. Trigg, eds.,
>   Wiley-VCH, Berlin. This revision updates numbers and a reference
>Subj-class: Popular Physics
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0503245 ,  41kb)
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From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Apr 11 06:54:30 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3BDsRJq005819 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA05115 for public-list; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:44:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f23.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.33]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05111; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:43:34 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:43:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Our Incredible Shrinking Curiousity Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:43:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2005 13:43:34.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[74A61970:01C53E9C] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk
>  Our Incredible Shrinking Curiosity
>
>  By Rick Weiss
>
>    "Bones, there's a  --  thing  --  out there," Captain James T. Kirk says to starship physician Leonard McCoy in the 1979 film, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." That "thing," it turns out, is a huge cloud of intelligence with some kind of object at its core  --  an object that calls itself "Veeger."
>
>  "Veeger"  --  actually "V . . . ger"  --  proves to be the spacecraft Voyager, launched from Earth some 300 years earlier. The letters "oya" have been obscured by space grime so that the computerized device has long ago forgotten its full name. But like the ultimate Timex watch, it is still ticking.
>
>  For centuries, the spacecraft has been following its simple instructions: Observe and record everything you find. In the process it has become, in Mr. Spock's words, "a highly advanced mentality" that cannot stop "evolving, learning, searching."
>
>  I rented the movie again last week after learning that NASA was poised to pull the funding plug on the real Voyagers  --  two VW Beetle-sized packages of instruments that have been sending streams of data back to Earth since 1977 and that are now at the outer reaches of our solar system. Corny as the movie is, it left me depressingly convinced that these 8 billion-mile-long extensions of human curiosity are indeed now smarter, or at least more enlightened, than the mortals who made them.
>
>  After all, can it be anything but foolish to turn a deaf ear to the most distant human-made objects in the universe  --  devices that after nearly three decades of travel are now registering and describing for us the first ripples of interstellar space?
>
>  It would be less disheartening if the move to kill the Voyager program were an isolated example. But the U.S. scientific enterprise is riddled with evidence that Americans have lost sight of the value of non-applied, curiosity-driven research  --  the open-ended sort of exploration that doesn't know exactly where it's going but so often leads to big payoffs. In discipline after discipline, the demand for specific products, profits or outcomes  --  "deliverables," in the parlance of government  --  has become the dominant force driving research agendas. Instead of being exploratory and expansive, science  --  especially in the wake of 9/11  --  seems increasingly delimited and defensive.
>
>  Take, for example, the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency  --  arguably the nation's premier funder of unencumbered scientific exploration, whose early dabbling in computer network design gave rise to the Internet. Agency officials recently acknowledged to Congress that they were shifting their focus away from blue-sky research and toward goal-oriented and increasingly classified endeavors.
>
>  Similarly, in geology, scientists have for years sought funds to blanket the nation with thousands of sensors to create an enormous, networked listening device that might teach us something about how the earth is shifting beneath our feet. The system got so far as to be authorized by Congress for $170 million over five years, but only $16 million has been appropriated in the first three of those years and just 62 of an anticipated 7,000 sensors have been deployed. Only in fiscal 2006, thanks to the South Asian tsunami, is the program poised to get more fully funded  --  out of a narrow desire to better predict the effects of such disasters here.
>
>  The Department of Energy in February announced it is killing the so-called BTeV project at Fermilab in Batavia, Ill., one of the last labs in this country still supporting studies in high-energy physics. This field, once dominated by the United States, promises to discover in the next decade some of the most basic subatomic particles in the universe, including the first so-called supersymmetric particle  --  a kind of stuff that seems to account for the vast majority of matter in the universe but which scientists have so far been unable to put their fingers on.
>
>  "We seem to have reached a point where people are so overwhelmed by the problems we face, we're not sure we really need more frontiers," said Kei Koizumi of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, noting that the only segments of the nation's research and development budget enjoying real growth are defense and homeland security. The National Science Foundation in particular, the nation's premier supporter of physical sciences research and science education, has suffered repeated cuts in recent years and now demands that grantees spell out in unprecedented detail how and when their proposed work will pay off.
>
>  Why should we care about this demand for results before the research begins? Isn't exploration for exploration's sake a luxury? Money is tight. Terrorists are trying to kill us. And what's a supersymmetric particle going to do for me, anyway?
>
>  First, there are practical reasons to care. At least half of this nation's economic growth during the past half century has been the direct result of scientific innovation, according to the Task Force on the Future of American Innovation, a coalition of two dozen organizations from industry and academia concerned about America's declining leadership in science and engineering.
>
>  Examples abound. Early research on DNA splicing in bacteria unexpectedly gave rise to the biotechnology industry, a huge economic engine that launched today's golden age of biology and medicine. Unfettered studies of electronics at places like the old Bell Laboratories gave the world transistors, lasers and the basic information theory that led to computer networking. Albert Einstein often said that his work on the general theory of relativity was too arcane to ever have any practical application. Yet without it we would not have the global positioning satellite system that today tells our cars  --  and the military's "smart" bombs  --  where they are and where they need to go.
>
>  John Bahcall, a professor of natural science at Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study, tells the story of Michael Faraday, the 19th-century scientist, who, when asked by skeptics about the value of his recent discovery of electricity, is said to have replied, "What is the value of a newly born baby?" Faraday "certainly had no anticipation of television or that you could send electrical signals on the Internet," Bahcall said. "But he knew that when you found something fundamental, it was going to be valuable fundamentally."
>
>  But what about Voyager 1 and 2, which scientists say can probably keep operating until 2020? What good are they? Sure, their instruments have sent back 5 trillion bits of data and 80,000 pictures, including spectacular close-ups of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune and astonishing details from various moons  --  22 of which were previously undiscovered. Yes, they've been detecting the impacts of solar flares at the very edge of the sun's influence and are sensing for the first time what the rest of the universe is made of. But how in the world are we going to take that to the bank?
>
>  Well, maybe we won't. But that raises the second, less practical  --  yet arguably more important  --  reason to support such endeavors: Because our understanding of the world and our support of the quest for knowledge for knowledge's sake is a core measure of our success as a civilization. Our grasp, however tentative, of what we are and where we fit in the cosmos should be a source of pride to all of us. Our scientific achievements are a measure of ourselves that our children can honor and build upon.
>
>  What happened to the unbridled and fearless thirst for knowledge that inspired us, as a species and as a nation, to hurl those Voyager probes free of the physical and psychological gravity of our little world? What happened to the trait that, according to Mr. Spock, was the driving force behind Veeger's immense accumulation of knowledge: "Insatiable curiosity."
>
>  Crouched today in a defensive posture, we are suffering from a lack of confidence and a shriveled sense of the optimism that once urged us to reach boldly into the unknown. Equally important, we seem to have forgotten that many good things come just from being open to them, without a formed idea of what they are or how they should come out. We are losing, in short, one of the oldest traditions in science: to simply observe, almost monk-like, with an open mind and without a plan.
>
>  Twenty years ago, I heard a recording of astronaut Rusty Schweickart that, more than anything I have since heard or read, brought this truth home to me. Schweickart described a spacewalk he once took while orbiting the Earth. He was clipped to a tether, floating in space, and his job was to take pictures. But the camera had malfunctioned, giving him a rare few minutes with nothing to do while Mission Control tried to figure out what was wrong. And so for the first time, he actually took in  --  on a personal and emotional level  --  the almost incomprehensible reality of where he was: in outer space, on the end of a rope, the farthest human being from Earth.
>
>  At that moment he had an epiphany about what an immense privilege it was for him to be there  --  and what a huge responsibility he carried to report back to the world what he was seeing and feeling. So he looked. And he listened. He tried to understand. He gazed down on the brilliant green and blue marble that was home and appreciated that everything he had ever known  --  all art, all history, all human emotion  --  was just a tiny part of a greater universe yet to be known. He committed himself to inspiring others to cherish that planet and pursue that unknown.
>
>  Today the Voyager spacecrafts are giving us an even longer view, sending us the first snapshots of our solar system from the outside in. Are we too busy, scared or broke to listen? Or will we look back at the universe with the humility that knows there is still something to learn, the curiosity to pursue it and the commitment to make some good of it?
>
>  Author's e-mail: weissr@washpost.com
>
>  Rick Weiss is a science writer for The Washington Post.
>
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From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Apr 12 09:53:24 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3CGqqJq014344 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA15858 for public-list; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:44:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f17.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.27]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15854; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:44:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:44:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: public@setileague.org Cc: bioastro@setileague.org Subject: SETI public: Extrasolar carbon planets - paper Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:44:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2005 16:44:07.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7FDA280:01C53F7E] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk
>Paper: astro-ph/0504214
>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:12:45 GMT   (36kb)
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>Title: Extrasolar Carbon Planets
>Authors: Marc J. Kuchner (Princeton), S. Seager (Carnegie/DTM)
>Comments: 17 pages, 2 figures, submitted to ApJL
>\\
>   We suggest that some extrasolar planets <~ 60 Earth masses will form
>substantially from silicon carbide and other carbon compounds. Pulsar planets
>and low-mass white dwarf planets are especially good candidate members of this
>new class of planets, but these objects could also conceivably form around
>stars like the Sun. This planet-formation pathway requires only a factor of two
>local enhancement of the protoplanetary disk's C/O ratio above solar, a
>condition that pileups of carbonaceous grains may create in ordinary
>protoplanetary disks. Hot, Neptune-mass carbon planets should show a
>significant paucity of water vapor in their spectra compared to hot planets
>with solar abundances. Cooler, less massive carbon planets may show
>hydrocarbon-rich spectra and tar-covered surfaces. The high sublimation
>temperatures of diamond, SiC, and other carbon compounds could protect these
>planets from carbon depletion at high temperatures.
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504214 ,  36kb)
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>Paper: astro-ph/0504231
>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:56:29 GMT   (845kb)
>
>Title: Observing Near Earth Asteroids with a Small Telescope
>Authors: Ovidiu Vaduvescu
>Comments: 17 pages including two figures. Published in Romanian Astronomical
>   Journal
>Journal-ref: RoAJ, 14/2 2004, 15/1 2005
>\\
>   Even from a light polluted city it is possible to observe Near Earth
>Asteroids (NEAs) at opposition using a small telescope equipped with a CCD
>camera. In this paper, we will overview first the major NEA programs,
>continuing with planning the observations and the data reduction. Second, we
>will present a NEA follow-up program carried out on the 60-cm telescope at York
>University Observatory in Toronto, Canada. Part of this program, five NEAs have
>been observed during ten nights. Their astrometric and photometric data were
>reduced and sent to the Minor Planet Centre, following which an observatory
>code was assigned and four batches have been included in the NEODyS database
>and MPC Circulars. The results are applicable to any other small facility.
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504231 ,  845kb)
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>\\
>Paper: astro-ph/0504240
>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:59:54 GMT   (74kb)
>
>Title: Evidence for Radio Detection of Extensive Air Showers Induced by Ultra
>   High Energy Cosmic Rays
>Authors: D. Ardouin, A. Bell\'etoile, D. Charrier, R. Dallier, T. Gousset, F.
>   Haddad, J. Lamblin, P. Lautridou, O. Ravel, A. Lecacheux, L. Denis, P.
>   Eschstruth, D. Monnier-Ragaigne
>Comments: 4 pages, 4 figures
>\\
>   Firm evidence for a radio emission counterpart of cosmic ray air showers is
>presented. By the use of an antenna array set up in coincidence with ground
>particle detectors, we find a collection of events for which both time and
>arrival direction coincidences between particle and radio signals are observed.
>The counting rate corresponds to shower energies $\gtrsim 5\times 10^{16}$ eV.
>These results open overwhelming perspectives to complete existing detection
>methods for the observation of ultra high-energy cosmic rays.
>\\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504240 ,  74kb)
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From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Apr 12 10:09:13 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3CH9CJq001139 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA16428 for public-list; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:02:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from host224.ipowerweb.com ([66.235.220.224]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16421 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpe-66-27-116-71.san.res.rr.com ([66.27.116.71] helo=Zeke) by host224.ipowerweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLOlf-0000l2-6B; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c53f81$265f2d70$887ba8c0@Zeke> From: "James Brown" To: "SETI League Public" , "SETI League Argus" Subject: SETI public: Remote SETI Back Office Rules Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:00:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C53F46.79C71D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host224.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - seti1.setileague.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - seti.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C53F46.79C71D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am nearing the point where I can start developing the Remote SETI = Client and Server. This will be a three tier system with a Client on = your computer, an HTTP Server (Internet Information Server - IIS) and a = back office Remote SETI Server running on my machine.=20 I would like your input on the proposed back office rules. Do you think = they will work? Additions? Subtractions? =20 Please check: http://www.seti.net/SETINet/Engineering/Engineering.htm Comment to me on this list server (best) or directly by email. Thanks ......... Jim Argus Station DM12jb W6KYP Jim@Seti.Net ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C53F46.79C71D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am nearing the point where I can = start developing=20 the Remote SETI Client and Server. This will be a three tier=20 system with a Client on your computer, an HTTP Server (Internet = Information=20 Server - IIS) and a back office Remote SETI Server running on my=20 machine. 
 
I would like your input on the proposed = back office=20 rules. Do you think they will work?  Additions? =20 Subtractions?
 
Please check:
http://w= ww.seti.net/SETINet/Engineering/Engineering.htm
 
Comment to me on this list server = (best) or=20 directly by email.
 
Thanks ......... Jim
 
Argus Station DM12jb
W6KYP
Jim@Seti.Net
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C53F46.79C71D00-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Apr 12 13:44:07 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3CKi5Jq003372 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id QAA21867 for public-list; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:37:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21863 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p549719A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de[84.151.25.161] (helo=mobile) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1DLS8M0aY6-0000wI; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:37:18 +0200 From: "Eckhard Kantz" To: Subject: AW: SETI public: Remote SETI Back Office Rules Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:37:16 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c53f9f$6cc7f1c0$9c38000a@nfq.lt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000d01c53f81$265f2d70$887ba8c0@Zeke> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:57c6180a99ac1004b04d61f5cedf2bef Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk > I would like your input on the proposed back office rules. > Do you think they will work? Additions? Subtractions? A concept for a site's remote control over the Internet is challenging. Although I can not comment on the back office rules, there are some hints about data access organization instead. On a server for VLBI purposes it was useful to organize all data by chunks of milliseconds. Independently if the data acquisition runs on 2.633 MegaSamples per second as in my first prototype or if it is 10, 20 or even 50 Megasamples per second, all data that was collected during a millisecond will constitute a data chunk. The online access to such a repository is organized by addressing the millisecond where a data chunk is needed from. This organization method prevents from streaming all data to all listening stations all the time and allows for randomly accessing arbitrary chunks of data when they are really needed. In order to get an overview about the complete repository data a survey chart is available that combines the following information on a glance: - average of each data chunk - variance of each data chunk - min and max values of each data chunk - signal run and spectrum of a particular data chunk - a zoom area for e.g. 2 min. - a short term are for e.g. 30 min. - a long term area for e.g. 12 hours An example is available at http://vlbi.wegalink.net/img/dataXsurvey.bmp It shows the sun travelling through the main focus of a 90 cm dish which is operated at 10.6 GHz. Maybe just as an idea for other aplications. Eckhard Kantz From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Apr 14 21:48:31 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3F4mTJq024033 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id AAA15057 for public-list; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:41:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-dav12.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.84]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15046; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:40:23 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.204 by BAY103-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:40:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.204] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "BioAstro" , "setipublic" Cc: "fpspace" Subject: SETI public: The Cassini Mission and Astrobiology Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:40:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C54153.B4E58980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:40:22 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2005 04:40:23.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C8845F0:01C54175] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C54153.B4E58980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Science/Astronomy: * The Cassini Mission and Astrobiology http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_cassini_050414.html For the past year, the SETI Institute has been one of the lead teams in = NASA's Astrobiology Institute (NAI), and this week many members of the = SETI Institute have been in Boulder, CO for the biennial meeting of the = NAI. * Perfect Spot Found for Moon Base http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050413_moon_perfect.html Researchers have identified what may be the perfect place for a Moon = base, a crater rim near the lunar north pole that's in near-constant = sunlight yet not far from suspected stores of water ice. * Experts Examine Thread of Life In The Universe http://www.space.com/searchforlife/050411_astrobio_nasa.html >From the formation and evolution of habitable worlds to the origins of = life, extra-solar planets, and future exploration technologies and = strategies - dedicated scientists are tackling big questions in a big = universe. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C54153.B4E58980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Science/Astronomy:

* The Cassini Mission and = Astrobiology

http= ://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_cassini_050414.html

For=20 the past year, the SETI Institute has been one of the lead teams in = NASA's=20 Astrobiology Institute (NAI), and this week many members of the SETI = Institute=20 have been in Boulder, CO for the biennial meeting of the NAI.

* = Perfect=20 Spot Found for Moon Base
h= ttp://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050413_moon_perfect.html

= Researchers=20 have identified what may be the perfect place for a Moon base, a crater = rim near=20 the lunar north pole that's in near-constant sunlight yet not far from = suspected=20 stores of water ice.

* Experts Examine Thread of Life In The=20 Universe
htt= p://www.space.com/searchforlife/050411_astrobio_nasa.html

From= =20 the formation and evolution of habitable worlds to the origins of life,=20 extra-solar planets, and future exploration technologies and strategies = -=20 dedicated scientists are tackling big questions in a big=20 universe.

------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C54153.B4E58980-- From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 15 08:17:32 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3FFHSJq005086 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id LAA00340 for public-list; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:08:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00323 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6588AD916A; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 25391-08; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ip97.91.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.91.97]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 31FF0D9150; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <425FD8AB.4080501@setileague.org> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:07:23 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: SETI public: Final reminder: SETI League Annual Meeting is THIS Sunday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, Don't forget that we are meeting this Sunday morning, 10 AM, at The College of New Jersey, Armstrong Hall room A136. Details at . Is anyone coming, besides your Board of Trustees? Are we going to have a quorum?? Yours for SETI success, Paul -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 15 10:33:12 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3FHX9Jq020566 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA03892 for public-list; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:19:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-dav13.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.85]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03888; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:19:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.205 by BAY103-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:19:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.205] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Look For Extraterrestrial Civilizations (Don't Just Listen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:19:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C541BD.B34009B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:19:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2005 17:19:07.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B13C130:01C541DF] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C541BD.B34009B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Science/Astronomy: * Look For Extraterrestrial Civilizations (Don't Just Listen) http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/technovel_ringworld_05= 0415.html Should we be looking for extraterrestrial civilizations, rather than = just listening for them, as we do in the SETI (Search for = Extraterrestrial Intelligence) project? Luc Arnold believes that the = transit of large artificial objects in front of a sun could be a used = for the emission of attention-getting signals. * Perfect Spot Found for Moon Base http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050413_moon_perfect.html Researchers have identified what may be the perfect place for a Moon = base, a crater rim near the lunar north pole that's in near-constant = sunlight yet not far from suspected stores of water ice. * Image of the Day: Piecing Titan Together http://www.space.com/imageoftheday/image_of_day_050415.html NASA's Cassini spacecraft is slowly piecing together a better picture of = the surface of Titan, Saturn's shrouded moon. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C541BD.B34009B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Science/Astronomy:

* Look For Extraterrestrial Civilizations = (Don't=20 Just Listen)

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/tec= hnovel_ringworld_050415.html

Should=20 we be looking for extraterrestrial civilizations, rather than just = listening for=20 them, as we do in the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) = project?=20 Luc Arnold believes that the transit of large artificial objects in = front of a=20 sun could be a used for the emission of attention-getting = signals.

* Perfect Spot Found for Moon Base
h= ttp://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050413_moon_perfect.html

= Researchers=20 have identified what may be the perfect place for a Moon base, a crater = rim near=20 the lunar north pole that's in near-constant sunlight yet not far from = suspected=20 stores of water ice.

* Image of the Day: Piecing Titan = Together
http= ://www.space.com/imageoftheday/image_of_day_050415.html

NASA's= =20 Cassini spacecraft is slowly piecing together a better picture of the = surface of=20 Titan, Saturn's shrouded moon.

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C541BD.B34009B0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Apr 15 23:06:17 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3G66GJq010386 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id BAA22734 for public-list; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:58:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from host224.ipowerweb.com ([66.235.220.224]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22713 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpe-66-27-116-71.san.res.rr.com ([66.27.116.71] helo=Zeke) by host224.ipowerweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMgJs-0007EN-HJ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:58:16 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c54249$22fdc770$887ba8c0@Zeke> From: "James Brown" To: "SETI League Public" , "SETI League Argus" Subject: SETI public: Remote SETI Status Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:57:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5420E.7673E7D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host224.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - seti1.setileague.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - seti.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5420E.7673E7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have managed to cut a lot of code for this project and *some* of it = even works . It looks like I will have a prototype remote client = that can be downloaded tomorrow about noon. With that you will for sure = be able to see the current antenna position in both Az and El and if I = get lucky you will be able to request a position as well. Check out the progress at:=20 http://www.seti.net/SETINet/Engineering/Engineering.htm If your interested in this next test watch the chat room on www.seti.net = and/or this mail list. Regards...... Jim Argus Station: DM12jb James Brown W6KYP Jim@SETI.Net [put 'SETI' in subject line} ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5420E.7673E7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have managed to cut a lot of = code for this=20 project and *some* of it even works <grin>.  It looks like I = will=20 have a prototype remote client that can be downloaded tomorrow about = noon. =20 With that you will for sure be able to see the current antenna position = in both=20 Az and El and if I get lucky you will be able to request a position as=20 well.
 
Check out the progress = at: 
 
http://w= ww.seti.net/SETINet/Engineering/Engineering.htm
 
If your interested in this next test = watch the chat=20 room on www.seti.net and/or this = mail=20 list.
 
Regards...... Jim
 
Argus Station: DM12jb
James = Brown
W6KYP
Jim@SETI.Net [put 'SETI' in subject=20 line}
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5420E.7673E7D0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Apr 16 05:29:59 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3GCTwJq017977 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA02580 for public-list; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from web81705.mail.yahoo.com (web81705.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.136]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02576 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20050416122215.73103.qmail@web81705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.45.194] by web81705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:22:15 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ocame Subject: SETI public: CU there! To: public@setileague.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Ok, Pat and I (and Anakin) will be leaving for NJ in just a few hours. Hope to see many SL members there! 73! Dave Ocame *********************************** *********************************** Dave Ocame, N1YVV Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory FN31ng -72.53856 longitude 41.16797 latitude Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and, The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Apr 16 05:46:04 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3GCk2Jq020639 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA03032 for public-list; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:40:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03028 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.105.211.85]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IF100FAIHVR9EY0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for public@setileague.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:40:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:40:33 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: Re: SETI public: CU there! In-reply-to: <20050416122215.73103.qmail@web81705.mail.yahoo.com> To: David Ocame Cc: public@setileague.org Message-id: <426107C1.50905@setileague.org> Organization: The SETI League, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20050416122215.73103.qmail@web81705.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk David Ocame wrote: > Ok, Pat and I (and Anakin) will be leaving for NJ in > just a few hours. Hope to see many SL members there! > > 73! > Dave Ocame Likewise. Any SL members who are in the area tonight, and wish to meet for dinner, can call me on my cellphone (570.419.1229). ATTENTION MEMBERS OF THE PRESS who may be lurking on this List: that number is NOT for publication! Thanks. -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Apr 16 07:00:41 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3GE0eJq031544 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA04891 for public-list; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from host224.ipowerweb.com ([66.235.220.224]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04883 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpe-66-27-116-71.san.res.rr.com ([66.27.116.71] helo=Zeke) by host224.ipowerweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMnkm-000363-Fk; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:54:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c5428b$acdcb540$887ba8c0@Zeke> From: "James Brown" To: "SETI League Public" , "SETI League Argus" Subject: SETI public: Remote SETI Testing Now Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:53:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C54251.004715D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host224.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - seti1.setileague.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - seti.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C54251.004715D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone up for a Remote SETI Test? Just download the latest client from = my web site: http://www.seti.net/SETINet/SETINet.htm Start it up, press Connect and you should see two gauges that reflect my = current antenna position. Chat with me on: http://www.seti.net/SETINet/Chat/index.php3 To tell me what it is doing. Right now there are three clients attached = (all mine) and they seem to be working fine. I would like some remote = users as well. Thanks.......... Jim Argus Station: DM12jb James Brown W6KYP Jim@SETI.Net [put 'SETI' in subject line} ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C54251.004715D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone up for a Remote SETI Test?  = Just=20 download the latest client from my web site:
http://www.seti.net/SETI= Net/SETINet.htm