From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 1 16:45:15 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j020jEUL011186 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id TAA02456 for public-list; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:36:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav13.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.117]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02452 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:36:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.148.25.229 by BAY4-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:35:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.148.25.229] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: Fw: [NOVA] "Welcome to Mars" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:35:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0099_01C4F039.175958B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:35:46 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2005 00:36:01.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[08BA4470:01C4F063] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C4F039.175958B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: NOVA=20 To: NOVA Bulletin=20 Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: [NOVA] "Welcome to Mars" _____________________________________________________________________ Next on NOVA: "Welcome to Mars" http://www.pbs.org/nova/mars/ Broadcast: January 4, 2005 (NOVA airs Tuesdays on PBS at 8 p.m. Check your local listings as=20 dates and times may vary.) On January 3, 2004, a rover named Spirit, cushioned inside a pyramid=20 of balloons, hurtled through the martian atmosphere and crash-landed=20 on the dusty surface of Mars. Minutes later, Spirit sent its first=20 message home. NOVA captured the elation of the assembled scientists,=20 along with the much more involved engineering story leading up to=20 the landing, in the award-winning documentary "MARS Dead or Alive,"=20 which aired one year ago. That elation is the starting point for the=20 highly anticipated sequel, "Welcome to Mars." In this mission update=20 NOVA follows the Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity from the second=20 they crash-land on the planet to many months into their ongoing=20 mission. The story unfolds from inside NASA's Jet Propulsion=20 Laboratory, providing a unique, behind-the-scenes take on this=20 voyage of discovery, whose primary goal has been to find evidence=20 that liquid water once existed on Mars. Here's what you'll find online: Inquiry, Interview & More Life's Little Essential=20 Everybody knows that liquid water is necessary for life, at=20 least as we know it. But just why exactly? Behind the Scenes Producer Mark Davis talks about his extraordinary experience=20 filming alongside the Mars Exploration Rover team. Man on a Mission Before launch, lead scientist Steve Squyres reveals his hopes=20 and fears for the rovers. Mars From Afar See some of the finest images ever taken of the martian surface. Interactives & Video Mars Up Close Steve Squyres narrates this visual tour of the rovers' most=20 revealing discoveries. Anatomy of a Rover Examine the robotic geologists and their suite of scientific=20 instruments. Design a Parachute Create a parachute strong and light enough to safely slow the=20 rovers in their descent toward Mars. From Launch to Landing Watch an animation of one rover's fantastic journey from=20 Earth to Mars. MARS Dead or Alive NOVA's first hour-long program on the Mars rover mission is=20 available to view online. Also, Links & Books, the program transcript, and the=20 teacher's guide. http://www.pbs.org/nova/mars/ _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ Thank you for visiting NOVA on the Web. We welcome your questions,=20 comments, and feedback. You can send a message directly to=20 nova@wgbh.org, or use our feedback form at=20 http://www.pbs.org/nova/feedback/ You are subscribed to the NOVA Bulletin. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pbs.org/nova/mailing/unsubscribe.html -- or send an=20 e-mail to majordomo@franz.wgbh.org and, = on a line by itself in the=20 message, type: unsubscribe nova-online Major funding for NOVA is provided by the Park Foundation, Sprint,=20 and Microsoft. 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Subject: [NOVA] "Welcome to Mars"

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Next=20 on NOVA: "Welcome to Mars"

http://www.pbs.org/nova/mars/<= BR>
Broadcast:=20 January 4, 2005
(NOVA airs Tuesdays on PBS at 8 p.m. Check your local = listings as
dates and times may vary.)

On January 3, 2004, a = rover=20 named Spirit, cushioned inside a pyramid
of balloons, hurtled = through the=20 martian atmosphere and crash-landed
on the dusty surface of Mars. = Minutes=20 later, Spirit sent its first
message home. NOVA captured the elation = of the=20 assembled scientists,
along with the much more involved engineering = story=20 leading up to
the landing, in the award-winning documentary "MARS = Dead or=20 Alive,"
which aired one year ago. That elation is the starting point = for the=20
highly anticipated sequel, "Welcome to Mars." In this mission update =
NOVA follows the Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity from the second =
they=20 crash-land on the planet to many months into their ongoing
mission. = The=20 story unfolds from inside NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, = providing a=20 unique, behind-the-scenes take on this
voyage of discovery, whose = primary=20 goal has been to find evidence
that liquid water once existed on=20 Mars.

Here's what you'll find online:

Inquiry, Interview = &=20 More

    Life's Little Essential =
   =20 Everybody knows that liquid water is necessary for life, at=20
    least as we know it. But just why=20 exactly?

    Behind the = Scenes
   =20 Producer Mark Davis talks about his extraordinary experience=20
    filming alongside the Mars Exploration Rover=20 team.

    Man on a Mission
    = Before=20 launch, lead scientist Steve Squyres reveals his hopes =
   =20 and fears for the rovers.

    Mars From=20 Afar
    See some of the finest images ever taken of = the=20 martian surface.

Interactives & = Video

    Mars=20 Up Close
    Steve Squyres narrates this visual tour = of the=20 rovers' most
    revealing=20 discoveries.

    Anatomy of a = Rover
   =20 Examine the robotic geologists and their suite of scientific=20
    instruments.

    Design a=20 Parachute
    Create a parachute strong and light = enough to=20 safely slow the
    rovers in their descent toward=20 Mars.

    From Launch to = Landing
   =20 Watch an animation of one rover's fantastic journey from =
   =20 Earth to Mars.

    MARS Dead or=20 Alive
    NOVA's first hour-long program on the Mars = rover=20 mission is
    available to view online.

Also, = Links=20 & Books, the program transcript, and the
teacher's = guide.

http://www.pbs.org/nova/mars/<= BR>
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Thank=20 you for visiting NOVA on the Web. We welcome your questions, =
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------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C4F039.175958B0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Jan 3 08:44:52 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j03GioUL027952 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id LAA29514 for public-list; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:34:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav19.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.123]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29510 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:34:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.235.84.46 by BAY4-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:33:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.235.84.46] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: Is anyone out there? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:33:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C4F188.04F72AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:33:17 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 16:34:03.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[091B3FF0:01C4F1B2] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C4F188.04F72AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone out there? Scientists continue to aim for astrobiological answers to the question by ANDREA ROWLAND A universal longing to solve two of life's enduring mysteries - Where = did we come from? Are we alone? - drives scientists to continue to = searching the sky for answers. Increasingly sophisticated technology = aids astrobiologists - scientists from a variety of disciplines who = study the origins, evolution, distribution, and future of life in the = universe - in their quest to unlock the secrets of space.=20 Since the first scientific search for extraterrestrial intelligence 40 = years ago, scientists, including Dr. Jill Tarter of the SETI Institute, = have searched our more than 10-billion-year-old galaxy with optical and = radio telescopes - looking and listening for signals that nature alone = could not produce. In the radio spectrum, that might mean lots of energy = compressed into small frequencies; in the optical spectrum, lots of = energy compressed into a small amount of time - such as a light blinking = very fast - might indicate technological prowess, said Tarter, a = renowned astrophysicist who serves as director of the Center for SETI = (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Research at the private, = nonprofit SETI Institute in California.=20 http://www.herald-mail.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C4F188.04F72AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is anyone out there?

Scientists continue to aim for astrobiological answers to the=20 question
by ANDREA ROWLAND

A universal longing to solve two of life's = enduring mysteries - Where did we come from? Are we alone? - drives = scientists=20 to continue to searching the sky for answers. Increasingly sophisticated = technology aids astrobiologists - scientists from a variety of = disciplines who=20 study the origins, evolution, distribution, and future of life in the = universe -=20 in their quest to unlock the secrets of space.

Since the first=20 scientific search for extraterrestrial intelligence 40 years ago, = scientists,=20 including Dr. Jill Tarter of the SETI Institute, have searched our more = than=20 10-billion-year-old galaxy with optical and radio telescopes - looking = and=20 listening for signals that nature alone could not produce. In the radio=20 spectrum, that might mean lots of energy compressed into small = frequencies; in=20 the optical spectrum, lots of energy compressed into a small amount of = time -=20 such as a light blinking very fast - might indicate technological = prowess, said=20 Tarter, a renowned astrophysicist who serves as director of the Center = for SETI=20 (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Research at the private, = nonprofit=20 SETI Institute in California.

http://www.herald-mail.com/
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C4F188.04F72AD0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Jan 3 16:05:17 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0405AUL005082 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA01992 for public-list; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:06:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav32.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.62]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01988; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:06:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.235.84.46 by BAY4-DAV32.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:05:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.235.84.46] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: The New and Improved SETI Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0186_01C4F194.D9760220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:05:07 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 18:06:05.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[E473EFA0:01C4F1BE] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0186_01C4F194.D9760220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Science/Astronomy: * The New and Improved SETI http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_whats_new_041230.html Despite all the difficulties that beset it (mostly connected with = funding), SETI is currently experiencing a paroxysm of creative ferment. = The new year is sure to be memorable, as glossy new instruments come = on-line. SETI is about to seriously crank up its speed, and = metaphorically trade in chariots for jets. ------=_NextPart_000_0186_01C4F194.D9760220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Science/Astronomy:

* The New and Improved SETI

ht= tp://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_whats_new_041230.html

De= spite=20 all the difficulties that beset it (mostly connected with funding), SETI = is=20 currently experiencing a paroxysm of creative ferment. The new year is = sure to=20 be memorable, as glossy new instruments come on-line. SETI is about to = seriously=20 crank up its speed, and metaphorically trade in chariots for=20 jets.

------=_NextPart_000_0186_01C4F194.D9760220-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 11:33:43 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j08JXgUL023891 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA17182 for public-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:41:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav30.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.60]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17162; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:40:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.148.59.54 by BAY4-DAV30.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:39:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.148.59.54] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Finding Other Worlds Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:39:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0111_01C4F3F5.201F5D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:39:20 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 18:40:39.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[37D31380:01C4F41F] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0111_01C4F3F5.201F5D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Science/Astronomy: * Finding Other Worlds http://www.space.com/searchforlife/devore_other_worlds_050106.html Since the 1994 announcement of pulsar planets by Alex Wolszczan, more = than 130 giant (Jupiter and Saturn size) planets in orbit about nearby = stars have been discovered using ground-based telescopes. * Biggest Space Explosion Creates Giant Bubbles http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/big_explosion_050105.html The largest explosion ever seen in space reveals black holes to be more = influential than expected, perhaps sometimes stifling star formation in = a galaxy while gobbling up trillions upon trillions of tons of gas. ------=_NextPart_000_0111_01C4F3F5.201F5D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Science/Astronomy:

* Finding Other Worlds

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/devore_other_worlds_050106.html=

Since=20 the 1994 announcement of pulsar planets by Alex Wolszczan, more than 130 = giant=20 (Jupiter and Saturn size) planets in orbit about nearby stars have been=20 discovered using ground-based telescopes.


* Biggest Space Explosion Creates Giant Bubbles

= http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/big_explosion_050105.html
The=20 largest explosion ever seen in space reveals black holes to be more = influential=20 than expected, perhaps sometimes stifling star formation in a galaxy = while=20 gobbling up trillions upon trillions of tons of = gas.

------=_NextPart_000_0111_01C4F3F5.201F5D40-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 11:37:45 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j08JbhUL030530 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id QAA21065 for public-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:26:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav13.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.117]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21061; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:26:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.142.147.49 by BAY4-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:25:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.142.147.49] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Are we alone?: College offers course that seeks universal truth Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:25:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C4F40C.54631120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:25:26 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 21:26:02.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[526E53F0:01C4F436] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C4F40C.54631120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Enrico Fermi, an atomic scientist back in the 1940s once posed a = question to a group of like scientists when the discussion turned to = extraterrestrial life. "So where is everybody?" What he meant was: If there are all these billions of planets in the = universe that are capable of supporting life, and millions of = intelligent species out there, then how come none have visited Earth? = This singular survey has become known as The Fermi Paradox, which is = where Dr. Daniel Kainer, Associate Professor of Biological Sciences at = Montgomery College, takes his springboard. Both he and Montgomery = College Chemistry Professsor Marie Underdown designed the = thought-provoking Astrobiology course, expounding even greater on this = paradox, now being offered at Montgomery College. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=3D1574&dept_id=3D532542&newsid=3D1= 3693595&PAG=3D461&rfi=3D9 ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C4F40C.54631120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Enrico Fermi, an atomic scientist back in the = 1940s once=20 posed a question to a group of like scientists when the discussion = turned to=20 extraterrestrial life. "So where is everybody?"

What he meant was: If there are all these = billions of=20 planets in the universe that are capable of supporting life, and = millions of=20 intelligent species out there, then how come none have visited Earth? = This=20 singular survey has become known as The Fermi Paradox, which is where = Dr. Daniel=20 Kainer, Associate Professor of Biological Sciences at Montgomery = College, takes=20 his springboard. Both he and Montgomery College Chemistry Professsor = Marie=20 Underdown designed the thought-provoking Astrobiology course, expounding = even=20 greater on this paradox, now being offered at Montgomery=20 College.
 
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What he meant was: If there are all these = billions of=20 planets in the universe that are capable of supporting life, and = millions of=20 intelligent species out there, then how come none have visited Earth? = This=20 singular survey has become known as The Fermi Paradox, which is where = Dr. Daniel=20 Kainer, Associate Professor of Biological Sciences at Montgomery = College, takes=20 his springboard. Both he and Montgomery College Chemistry Professsor = Marie=20 Underdown designed the thought-provoking Astrobiology course, expounding = even=20 greater on this paradox, now being offered at Montgomery=20 College.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4F498.058B2D30-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 11:43:51 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j08JhoUL020934 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id SAA24119 for public-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24115 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Compaq.bellsouth.net ([68.18.135.218]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050106233238.XXZQ2064.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Compaq.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106182611.020b6cd0@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:32:36 -0500 To: SETI Public From: Greg Preston Subject: SETI public: Interesting Radio Observations of Gamma Ray Burst Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-133E6148; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-41DDCA950D8E=======" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk --=======AVGMAIL-41DDCA950D8E======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2762625==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-133E6148 --=====================_2762625==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-133E6148 Hello, Since most on this list are interested in astronomy and radio, I thought you would enjoy this.... Quotation below. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [QRP-L] Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances Gang, There have been some episodes over the past week of some very strange Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances, or SIDs. These have not been caused by solar flares or the like, but rather from GRBs ... Gamma Ray Bursts, from very distant objects, like several hundred light years away. The biggest recent event was on December 27, 2004 when a massive gamma ray burst hit the earth about 2130 UTC from a Magnetar called SGR-1806. This GRB was so powerful that it was able to ionize our ionosphere, just like a solar flare, and cause ionospheric absorption down to the VLF frequencies. This indicates a GLE, a Ground Level Event, meaning the ionizing radiation from the GRB penetrated our atmosphere, all the way to ground level. There are amateur astronomers of sorts who monitor the signal strength from high powered VLF transmitters, such as the Navy stations NAA, NPM, NLK, etc. At VLF, signal strengths are fairly constant, varying a bit during day and night. Some of these amateur stations show a sudden absorption of signals at VLF due to the arrival of the GRB's. Some of their plots can be seen at: http://aavso.org Click on the "GCN #2932" button for the SID plots. Very interesting. For the real neophytes out there, http://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn3_archive.html This is the clearinghouse for all observatories and satellites doing GRB monitoring and/or observing. A little on the heavy side, including several reports about the observing we're doing at the Very Large Array (VLA) radiotelescope on SGR-1806. Our normal observing schedule has been interupted to observe this strange phenomenon. The VLA has found SGR-1806 and is making images of it daily right now. It's not clear yet what SGR-1806 is, or was, other than something that possibly blew up big time, perhaps a collapsing pulsar, that has spewed debris and electrons out into space, traveling from 0.3 to 0.7 times the speed of light. It was the initial explosion, on Dec. 27th, that showered gamma rays into the earths ionosphere. This is an explosion that occured 200+ years ago, and the shockwave of gamma rays is so powerful, it was able to ionize our E and F layers, and absorb VLF propagation. Pretty impressive. If you look at the above link, "signal strengths" of the radio energy is measured by scientists by "flux density," using units of mJy ... milli Jansky's. For example, current VLA detected flux density of this event is about 100 mJy at L-band (1 GHz) and 30 mJy at C-band (8 GHz). 1 Jy (1 Jansky) = 1.7 x 10EE-23 mW. 1 mJy = 1.7 x 10EE-26 mW. Figure out what the dBm is of that. Now THAT is QRP! I noticed some complaining on qrp-l for several days after Dec. 27 about weird propagation and how some couldn't hear a "peep" on 80M, 6M, etc. Now you know why. 72, Paul NA5N PS - I work at the NRAO Very Large Array (VLA), the world's largest radio telescope, in Socorro, NM. However, I am posting this information from observatory information as a private individual ham radio QRP kind of guy. This is not an official observatory press release. It's not an official anything. You don't even have to believe it. And, I'm not using my work computer that tax payers bought me. So for those 3 individuals that have gotten a kick out of contacting my employer over my past solar/propagation posts, save your breath. I am not representing the NRAO in any way shape or form in this post or using tax payer stuff. For the rest of you, I hope you enjoy and find the info interesting. ______________________________________________________________ QRP-L mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qrp-l Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:QRP-L@mailman.qth.net --=====================_2762625==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-133E6148 Hello,

Since most on this list are interested in astronomy and radio, I thought you would enjoy this....

Quotation below.
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From: <na5n@zianet.com>
To: <qrp-l@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:49 PM
Subject: [QRP-L] Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances

 Gang,

There have been some episodes over the past week of some very strange
Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances, or SIDs.  These have not been caused
by solar flares or the like, but rather from GRBs ... Gamma Ray Bursts,
from very distant objects, like several hundred light years away.

The biggest recent event was on December 27, 2004 when a massive gamma
ray burst hit the earth about 2130 UTC from a Magnetar called
SGR-1806.   This GRB was so powerful that it was able to ionize our
ionosphere, just like a solar flare, and cause ionospheric absorption
down to the VLF frequencies.  This indicates a GLE, a Ground Level Event,
meaning the ionizing radiation from the GRB penetrated our atmosphere,
all the way to ground level.

There are amateur astronomers of sorts who monitor the signal strength
from high powered VLF transmitters, such as the Navy stations NAA, NPM,
NLK, etc.  At VLF, signal strengths are fairly constant, varying a bit
during day and night.  Some of these amateur stations show a sudden
absorption of signals at VLF due to the arrival of the GRB's.  Some of
their plots can be seen at:

 http://aavso.org

Click on the "GCN #2932" button for the SID plots.  Very interesting.

For the real neophytes out there,

http://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn3_archive.html

 This is the clearinghouse for all observatories and satellites doing
GRB monitoring and/or observing.  A little on the heavy side, including
several reports about the observing we're doing at the Very Large Array
(VLA) radiotelescope on SGR-1806.  Our normal observing schedule has
been interupted to observe this strange phenomenon.

 The VLA has found SGR-1806 and is making images of it daily right now.
It's not clear yet what SGR-1806 is, or was, other than something that
possibly blew up big time, perhaps a collapsing pulsar, that has spewed
debris and electrons out into space, traveling from 0.3 to 0.7 times the
speed of light.  It was the initial explosion, on Dec. 27th, that
showered gamma rays into the earths ionosphere.  This is an explosion
that occured 200+ years ago, and the shockwave of gamma rays is so
powerful, it was able to ionize our E and F layers, and absorb VLF
propagation .  Pretty impressive.

If you look at the above link, "signal strengths" of the radio energy is
measured by scientists by "flux density," using units of mJy ... milli
Jansky's.   For example, current VLA detected flux density of this event
is about 100 mJy at L-band (1 GHz) and 30 mJy at C-band (8 GHz).
1 Jy (1 Jansky) = 1.7 x 10EE-23 mW.
1 mJy = 1.7 x 10EE-26 mW.

Figure out what the dBm is of that.  Now THAT is QRP!

I noticed some complaining on qrp-l for several days after Dec. 27 about
weird propagation and how some couldn't hear a "peep" on 80M, 6M, etc.
Now you know why.

72, Paul NA5N

PS - I work at the NRAO Very Large Array (VLA), the world's largest
radio telescope, in Socorro, NM.  However, I am posting this information
from observatory information as a private individual ham radio QRP
kind of guy. This is not an official observatory press release. It's not
an official anything. You don't even have to believe it. And, I'm not
using my work computer that tax payers bought me.  So for those 3
individuals that have gotten a kick out of contacting my employer over
my past solar/propagation posts, save your breath. I am not representing
the NRAO in any way shape or form in this post or using tax payer stuff.
For the rest of you, I hope you enjoy and find the info interesting.
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 --=====================_2762625==.ALT-- --=======AVGMAIL-41DDCA950D8E=======-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 12:09:21 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j08K9JUL012992 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA28104 for public-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:02:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28100 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.151.113.41]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050108200205.YCQM21228.out007.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]>; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:02:05 -0600 Message-ID: <41E03C37.10002@setileague.org> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:01:59 -0500 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Preston CC: SETI Public , na5n@zianet.com Subject: Re: SETI public: Interesting Radio Observations of Gamma Ray Burst References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106182611.020b6cd0@mail.bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106182611.020b6cd0@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [141.151.113.41] at Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:02:03 -0600 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk NA5N wrote: > If you look at the above link, "signal strengths" of the radio energy is > measured by scientists by "flux density," using units of mJy ... milli > Jansky's. For example, current VLA detected flux density of this event > is about 100 mJy at L-band (1 GHz) and 30 mJy at C-band (8 GHz). > 1 Jy (1 Jansky) = 1.7 x 10EE-23 mW. > 1 mJy = 1.7 x 10EE-26 mW. > That's actually a bit misleading, because Jansky is a measure of flux density, NOT of power. Flux density is power per unit bandwidth over capture area, so the calculation includes receive antenna size, and receiver IF filter bandwidth. One Jansky is 10^-26 Joules per second per hertz per square meter. See my article "understanding the Jansky" for an elaboration. Or, for a memory aid to assist in remembering the constant, see the last verse of my song "Karl Jansky," at . > Figure out what the dBm is of that. Now THAT is QRP! No doubt about it, that IS qrp (weak signal), at any receiver bandwidth and any antenna capture area! 73, Paul N6TX -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 12:19:07 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j08KJ6UL007746 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA28342 for public-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:12:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28337; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.151.113.41]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050108201244.RFYC8290.out004.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]>; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:12:44 -0600 Message-ID: <41E03EB7.6090108@setileague.org> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:12:39 -0500 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LARRY KLAES CC: setipublic , BioAstro Subject: Re: SETI public: Are we alone?: College offers course that seeks universal truth References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.151.113.41] at Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:12:42 -0600 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk LARRY KLAES posted: > Enrico Fermi, an atomic scientist back in the 1940s once posed a question to a >group of like scientists when the discussion turned to extraterrestrial life. >"So where is everybody?" Actually, that was in the early 1950s, at Los Alamos. I heard the story second-hand from Edward Teller, who was at that lunch. According to Dr. Teller, Dr. Fermi's exact words (without preamble or explanation) were simply, "Where are they?" The circumstances surrounding the Fermi Paradox are detailed in one of my columns: . There is, however, an historical inaccuracy in my account. I was informed by one of Szilard's graduate students that he was not in fact at Los Alamos at the time, so he could not have uttered the quote attributed to him by McPhee. So, the comment about Hungarians, if actually made, must have come from one of the several other Hungarian scientists who were there at the time. (Teller? Wigner? Von Neumann? Sadly, none of them is still here to ask.) -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 15:37:17 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j08NbGUL003632 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id SAA02418 for public-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:28:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02412; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from alphy.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.74.67] helo=cs.bham.ac.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1CnQ0B-000MMZ-DO; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:28:11 +0000 Message-ID: <41E06CD2.7070106@cs.bham.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:29:22 +0000 From: William Edmondson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" CC: LARRY KLAES , setipublic Subject: Re: SETI public: Are we alone?: College offers course that seeks universal truth References: <41E03EB7.6090108@setileague.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Hi Paul Stephen Webb's book has it that Fermi posed his question in 1950, and that he was at Los Alamos that summer. The people at lunch with Fermi were Teller, Herbert York, and Emil Konopinksi. But maybe that information is suspect too? Cheers William Dr. H. Paul Shuch wrote: > LARRY KLAES posted: > >> Enrico Fermi, an atomic scientist back in the 1940s once posed a >> question to a group of like scientists when the discussion turned to >> extraterrestrial life. "So where is everybody?" > > > Actually, that was in the early 1950s, at Los Alamos. I heard the > story second-hand from Edward Teller, who was at that lunch. > According to Dr. Teller, Dr. Fermi's exact words (without preamble or > explanation) were simply, "Where are they?" > The circumstances surrounding the Fermi Paradox are detailed in > one of my columns: . > There is, however, an historical inaccuracy in my account. I was > informed by one of Szilard's graduate students that he was not in fact > at Los Alamos at the time, so he could not have uttered the quote > attributed to him by McPhee. So, the comment about Hungarians, if > actually made, must have come from one of the several other Hungarian > scientists who were there at the time. (Teller? Wigner? Von Neumann? > Sadly, none of them is still here to ask.) > From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 16:56:10 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j090u8UL029110 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id TAA04009 for public-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:49:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04005 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.151.113.41]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050109004937.YWUP12052.out002.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]>; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:49:37 -0600 Message-ID: <41E07F98.9020903@setileague.org> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:49:28 -0500 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Edmondson CC: LARRY KLAES , setipublic Subject: Re: SETI public: Are we alone?: College offers course that seeks universal truth References: <41E03EB7.6090108@setileague.org> <41E06CD2.7070106@cs.bham.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <41E06CD2.7070106@cs.bham.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [141.151.113.41] at Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:49:35 -0600 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk William Edmondson wrote: > Hi Paul > > Stephen Webb's book has it that Fermi posed his question in 1950, and > that he was at Los Alamos that summer. The people at lunch with Fermi > were Teller, Herbert York, and Emil Konopinksi. > > But maybe that information is suspect too? Summer of 1950 is certainly plausible, as when I asked Teller about it, he remembered it as early 1950s. Los Alamos is certainly the correct venue. The names seem right, if incomplete (I believe there were others in the lunchroom at the time). My suspicion is that the response credited by McPhee to Szilard was probably actually spoken by Teller (McPhee didn't really know either, so could easily have been mistaken). I regret that I never asked Teller about it when he was alive -- I had plenty of opportunities, but it never crossed my mind until too late. -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Jan 8 17:13:40 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j091DcUL019001 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id UAA04485 for public-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:07:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04479; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.151.113.41]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050109010714.WEKO10436.out012.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]>; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:07:14 -0600 Message-ID: <41E083B8.7050709@setileague.org> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:07:04 -0500 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" CC: William Edmondson , LARRY KLAES , setipublic Subject: Re: SETI public: Are we alone?: College offers course that seeks universal truth References: <41E03EB7.6090108@setileague.org> <41E06CD2.7070106@cs.bham.ac.uk> <41E07F98.9020903@setileague.org> In-Reply-To: <41E07F98.9020903@setileague.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [141.151.113.41] at Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:07:12 -0600 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Here's further information on the origin of the Fermi Paradox, from Eric Jones at Los Alamos: -- Newman, Sagan, and Shklovski [2,5] recall that a legend of science says that Enrico Fermi asked the question, "Where are they?" during a visit to Los Alamos during the Second World War or shortly thereafter. Fermi's question has been mentioned in several other recent publications, but historical basis for the attribution has not been established. Thanks to the excellent memory of Hans Mark, who had heard a retelling at Los Alamos in the early 1950s, we now know that Fermi did make the remark during a lunchtime conversation about 1950. His companions were Emil Konopinski, Edward Teller, and Herbert York. All three have provided accounts of the incident. We begin with Konopinski: "1 have only fragmentary recollections about the occasion.... I do have a fairly clear memory of how the discussion of extra-terrestrials got started while Enrico, Edward, Herb York, and I were walking to lunch at Fuller Lodge. "When l joined the party, I found being discussed evidence about flying saucers. That immediately brought to my mind a cartoon I had recently seen in the New Yorker, explaining why public trash cans were disappearing from the streets of New York City. The New York papers were making a fuss about that. The cartoon showed what was evidently a flying saucer sitting in the background and, streaming toward it, 'little green men' (endowed with antennas) carrying the trash cans. More amusing was Fermi's comment, that it was a very reasonable theory since it accounted for two separate phenomena: the reports of flying saucers as well as the disappearance of the trash cans. There ensued a discussion as to whether the saucers could somehow exceed the speed of light." Teller remembers: "My recollection of the event involving Fermi . . . is clear, but only partial. To begin with, I was there at the incident. I believe it occurred shortly after the end of the war on a visit of Fermi to the Laboratory, which quite possibly might have been during a summer. "I remember having walked over with Fermi and others to the Fuller Lodge for lunch. While we walked over, there was a conversation which I believe to have been quite brief and superficial on a subject only vaguely connected with space travel. I have a vague recollection, which may not be accurate, that we talked about flying saucers and the obvious statement that the flying saucers are not real. I also remember that Fermi explicitly raised the question, and I think he directed it at me, 'Edward, what do you think? How probable is it that within the next ten years we shall have clear evidence of a material object moving faster than light?' I remember that my answer vas ' 1 o-6.. Fermi said, 'This is much too low. The probability is more like ten percent' (the well known figure for a Fermi miracle.) " Konopinski says that he does not recall the numerical values, "except that they changed rapidly as Edward and Fermi bounced arguments off each other." Teller continues: "The conversation, according to my memory, was only vaguely connected with astronautics partly on account of flying saucers might be due to extraterrestrial people (here I believe the remarks were purely negative), partly because exceeding light velocity would make interstellar travel one degree more real. "We then talked about other things which I do not remember and maybe approximately eight of us sat down together for lunch." Konopinski and York are quite certain that there were only four of them. It was after we were at the luncheon table," Konopinski recalls, "that Fermi surprised us with the question 'but where is everybody?' It was his way of putting it that drew laughs from us ." York, who does not recall the preliminary conversation on the walk to Fuller Lodge, does remember that "virtually apropos of nothing Fermi said, 'Don't you ever wonder where everybody is?' Somehow . . . we all knew he meant extra-terrestrials." Teller remembers the question in much the same way. "The discussion had nothing to do with astronomy or with extraterrestrial beings. I think it was some down-to-earth topic. Then, in the middle of this conversation, Fermi came out with the quite unexpected question 'Where is everybody?' . . . The result of his question was general laughter because of the strange fact that in spite of Fermi's question coming from the clear blue, everybody around the table seemed to understand at once that he was talking about extraterrestrial life. "I do not believe that much came of this conversation, except perhaps a statement that the distances to the next location of living beings may be very great and that, indeed, as far as our galaxy is concerned, we are living somewhere in the sticks, far removed from the metropolitan area of the galactic center." York believes that Fermi was somewhat more expansive and "followed up with a series of calculations on the probability of earthlike planets, the probability of life given an earth, the probability of humans given life, the likely rise and duration of high technology, and so on. He concluded on the basis of such calculations that we ought to have been visited long ago and many times over. As I recall, he went on to conclude that the reason we hadn't been visited might be that interstellar flight is impossible, or, if it is possible, always judged to be not worth the effort, or technological civilization doesn't last long enough for it to happen." York confessed to being hazy about these last remarks. In summary, Fermi did ask the question, and perhaps not surprisingly, issues still debated today were part of the discussion . Certainly, the line of argument that York remembers became familiar a decade later as the Drake-Greenbank Equation [6,7]. A final point: the date of the conversation. York is clearest on the date. "The conversation was either in the summer of 1950, 1951, or 1952, very probably 1951, and took place . . . when I was visiting LASL in connection with the forthcoming Greenhouse tests - specifically, the George shot." The George test occurred on May 8, 1951, suggesting a 1950 date. Surviving correspondence from the time indicates that Fermi was an annual summer visitor during the years in question. Unfortunately, attendance and travel records for those years have been destroyed. However, we have the evidence of the cartoon Konopinski mentions. Drawn by Alan Dunn, it was published in the May 20, 1950, issue of The New Yorker. It seems quite probable that the incident of Fermi's question occurred in the summer of 1950. I am grateful to Hans Mark and to the three surviving participants for their accounts. -- As it happens, I will be seeing Hans Mark in March, and will ask him for further clarification, and his own recollections. All best, Paul -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Jan 11 07:38:04 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0BFc3UL011858 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id KAA28884 for public-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:22:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav30.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.60]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28880; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:22:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.148.13.201 by BAY4-DAV30.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:21:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.148.13.201] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Fw: spacetoday.net article: Hubble spots potential exoplanet Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:21:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C4F7C7.48A45BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:21:16 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 15:22:00.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BEA45C0:01C4F7F1] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C4F7C7.48A45BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This article is also available on the web at: http://www.spacetoday.net/getsummary.php?id=3D2738 . Hubble spots potential exoplanet =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Posted: Tue, Jan 11 8:07 AM ET (1307 GMT) Astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope have confirmed the existence of an object that may be an extrasolar planet orbiting a brown dwarf star. The object was first seen last April at the European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope as a dim body next to the brown dwarf 2M1207, 225 light-years away. 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------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C4F7C7.48A45BA0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Jan 11 16:31:56 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0C0VsUL013521 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id TAA11646 for public-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:24:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11633; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.18.78.57]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050112002401.FNAC10436.out012.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]>; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:24:01 -0600 Message-ID: <41E46E1E.20301@setileague.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:23:58 -0500 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Shuch Subject: SETI public: Milestones updated Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [70.18.78.57] at Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:59 -0600 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, The page "Milestones in SETI League History", on our website at , has recently been updated. Take a look! Yours for SETI success, Paul -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Jan 14 06:23:58 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0EENqUL004716 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA12642 for public-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:12:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav4.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.108]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12638; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:12:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.136.127.99 by BAY4-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.136.127.99] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Great news from the surface of Titan! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C4FA18.FBE03330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:11:08 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 14:12:06.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[077382E0:01C4FA43] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C4FA18.FBE03330 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0047_01C4FA18.FBE03330" ------=_NextPart_001_0047_01C4FA18.FBE03330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.spaceflightnow.com/cassini/status.html FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2005 1403 GMT (9:03 a.m. EST) Huygens remains alive and sending its beeping signal from the surface -- = more than an hour after controllers calculate it landed. The relay of = science data to Cassini concludes later this hour as the orbiter goes = over the horizon from the landing site.=20 The first science information is expected on Earth about two hours from = now.=20 1332 GMT (8:32 a.m. EST) Mission controllers say the tone from Huygens is still being received! = The craft appears to have landed around 1245 or 1246 GMT (7:45 or 7:46 = a.m. EST) on Titan and continues to operate from the moon's surface.=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0047_01C4FA18.FBE03330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

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Subject: SETI public: Probe spots alien riverbeds on Saturn moon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0502-3, 01/14/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by seti1.setileague.org id RAA24052 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6823880/ Probe spots alien riverbeds on Saturn moon Huygens sends back pictures from mysterious Titan ESA / NASA / Univ. of Arizona This image of Titan's surface was taken from a height of 10 miles (16 kilometers), as the Huygens probe descended toward landing. MSNBC staff and news service reports Updated: 4:45 p.m. ET Jan. 14, 2005DARMSTADT, Germany - A European probe sent back unprecedented views of what appeared to be drainage channels and a black-and-white "shoreline" as it descended Friday to a successful landing on Titan, Saturn's haze-shrouded moon. advertisement Another image, taken from the surface, showed roundish blocks of ice embedded in material that stretched out to Titan's horizon. The first pictures from the Huygens lander drew outpourings of praise in several languages as they were displayed on video screens at the European Space Agency's mission control in Darmstadt. Still more images were being processed for later release. "This really was a world that yielded totally new science," said ESA science director David Southwood. ESA / NASA / Univ. of Arizona This first image from Titan's surface was captured by the Huygens lander's Descent Imager/Spectral Radiometer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Huygens provided the first-ever close look at Titan's hydrocarbon-rich surface — an environment that scientists believe is much like the one that gave rise to life on Earth billions of years ago. They speculated that Huygens might find lakes, rivers and even seas of liquid methane and ethane. The first overhead picture, taken from a height of 10 miles (16 kilometers), seemed to support that speculation. The pictures represented only the initial payoff toward the end of a long, successful day. "We are the first visitors of Titan," ESA Director General Jean-Jacques Dordain declared. The parachute-equipped lander flashed a beacon signal back to Earth during its two-hour-plus descent through Titan's hazy atmosphere, and continued transmitting for more than two hours after its touchdown at about 7:47 a.m. ET (1247 GMT), mission analyst Michael Khan told MSNBC.com. The probe's beacon was detected by the Green Bank radio telescope in West Virginia, then picked up again by the Parkes radio telescope in Australia as the world turned. The carrier signal even provided the Huygens mission's first scientific readings, for an experiment to measure the strength of Titan's winds. The Huygens team marveled over the probe's longevity. "It's amazing," Khan said. Getting the science But the team had to wait a few more hours to get the bulk of the scientific data. Readings from the instruments on Huygens were sent to its mother ship, the international Cassini orbiter, then relayed to Earth. Mission controllers whooped and applauded as they received the first relayed readings. NASA / ESA / Univ. of Arizona A picture taken from a height of 5 miles (8 kilometers) shows what could be Huygens' landing site, with shorelines and boundaries between raised ground and flooded plains. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- “Now the scientists start work,” Southwood told reporters. “The torch has been passed to the scientists. We’re going to be working very hard in the next hours and days. But in fact, this data is data for posterity. This is a historic event. I don’t think it’s likely in the lifetime of anyone in this room that we will repeat a landing on Titan.” Alphonso Diaz, NASA's associate administrator for science, seemed to come close to breaking into tears as he congratulated his European colleagues. "There will only be one first successful landing on Titan, and this was it," he said. A 7-year wait Mission officials had waited seven years for Huygens to reach its destination. The 9-foot-wide (2.7-meter-wide) probe was spun off from Cassini on Christmas Eve to begin the free-fall toward Titan, the first moon other than the Earth’s to be explored by spacecraft. Named after Titan’s discoverer, the 17th-century Dutch astronomer Christiaan Huygens, the probe carried instruments to explore what Titan’s atmosphere is made of and find out whether it had cold seas of liquid methane and ethane, as scientists suspected. Related story How Huygens probe got this far Cosmic Log: Spotting Saturn in the sky Timers inside the 705-pound (320-kilogram) probe awakened it just before it entered Titan’s atmosphere. Huygens is shaped like a wok and was covered with a heat shield to survive the intense heat of entry. During its slow parachute descent, Huygens used a special camera and instruments to collect information on wind speeds and the makeup of Titan’s atmosphere. The readings were transmitted to Cassini first, on two almost fully redundant channels. Then Cassini turned its antenna toward Earth and passed the data along to NASA's Deep Space Network for delivery to ESA scientists in Darmstadt. The readings were received clearly on one channel, but telemetry from the other channel contained no data, mission controllers said. The Huygens team was scrambling to get more radio telescope time for bonus observations. 'Titan is a time machine' Titan is the only moon in the solar system known to have a significant atmosphere. Rich in nitrogen and containing about 6 percent methane, its atmosphere is believed to be 50 percent denser than Earth’s. SLIDE SHOW • Best of Cassini Unprecedented images of Saturn, its rings and its moons. NASA's Diaz said Titan may offer hints about the conditions under which life first arose on Earth. “Titan is a time machine,” Diaz said. “It will provide us the opportunity to look at conditions that may well have existed on earth in the beginning. It may have preserved in a deep freeze many chemical compounds that set the stage for life on earth.” Part of a $3.3 billion international mission to study the Saturn system, Huygens was equipped with instruments to study Titan’s smoggy atmosphere as well as the surface. “It could land on something solid ... it could land in liquid methane, which is what they think a lot of the black seas on Titan are,” said Alan Smith, deputy head of operations at ESA. “Because the temperature is so cold and the pressure is so high, gases like ethane and methane exist in liquid form, so it could well land in a sea of methane.” The probe was designed to keep working after touchdown despite the temperature of 292 degrees below zero Fahrenheit (-180 degrees Celsius). But even if everything aboard Huygens kept working perfectly, the probe would die when its batteries ran out. The Cassini-Huygens mission, a project of NASA, ESA and the Italian space agency, was launched on Oct. 15, 1997, from Cape Canaveral, Fla., to study Saturn, its spectacular rings and many moons. During the nearly seven years Cassini took to reach the ringed planet, the attached probe was powered through an umbilical cable and awakened from sleep mode every six months for tests. This report includes information from The Associated Press and MSNBC.com's Alan Boyle. © 2005 MSNBC Interactive From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Jan 16 09:44:18 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0GHiGUL024452 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA27548 for public-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav16.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.120]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27544; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:34:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.141.116.62 by BAY4-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:33:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.141.116.62] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Some amazing amateur processing of the Huygens data Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:33:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0153_01C4FBC7.97125040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:33:32 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 17:34:06.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[9424DB30:01C4FBF1] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C4FBC7.97125040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://anthony.liekens.net/index.php/Main/Huygens ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C4FBC7.97125040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C4FBC7.97125040-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Jan 16 10:12:27 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0GICPUL020914 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id NAA28299 for public-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:02:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav9.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.113]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28294; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:02:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.141.116.62 by BAY4-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:01:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.141.116.62] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Fw: Books Update: 'Blink,' by Malcolm Gladwell Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:01:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B0_01C4FBCB.8FED4140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:01:58 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 18:02:01.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A8B8620:01C4FBF5] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B0_01C4FBCB.8FED4140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. In Sunday's Book Review: 'Blink,' by Malcolm Gladwell=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Review by DAVID BROOKS "There is in all of our brains, [Malcolm] Gladwell argues, a=20 mighty backstage process, which works its will=20 subconsciously. Through this process we have the capacity to=20 sift huge amounts of information, blend data, isolate telling=20 details and come to astonishingly rapid conclusions, even in=20 the first two seconds of seeing something. ... Gladwell has=20 us flying around the world and across disciplines at hectic=20 speed, and he's always dazzling us with fascinating=20 information and phenomena. ...=20 "Gladwell is overselling his case. ... [T]here is a great=20 body of data suggesting that formal statistical analysis is a=20 much, much better way of predicting everything ... than the=20 intuition even of experts. ... "If you want to trust my snap judgment, buy this book: you'll=20 be delighted. If you want to trust my more reflective second=20 judgment, buy it: you'll be delighted but frustrated,=20 troubled and left wanting more." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/16/books/review/16COVERBR.html?8bu First Chapter http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/16/books/chapters/0116books-1st-gladw.html= ?8bu ------=_NextPart_000_01B0_01C4FBCB.8FED4140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0206_01C4FBD3.41A7BE40-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Jan 16 12:13:13 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0GKDBUL013523 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id PAA01508 for public-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:05:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav31.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.61]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01504; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:05:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.235.87.109 by BAY4-DAV31.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:04:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.235.87.109] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" , "europa" Subject: SETI public: Biologically Enhanced Energy and Carbon Cycling on Titan? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:04:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_029A_01C4FBDC.9CAC2200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:04:01 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 20:05:02.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9CFAEA0:01C4FC06] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_029A_01C4FBDC.9CAC2200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Physics, abstract physics/0501068 From: Dirk Schulze-Makuch [view = email] Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:09:31 GMT (160kb) Biologically Enhanced Energy and Carbon Cycling on Titan? Authors: D. = Schulze-Makuch, D. = Grinspoon Subj-class: Biological Physics; Chemical Physics With the Cassini-Huygens Mission in orbit around Saturn, the large = moon Titan, with its reducing atmosphere, rich organic chemistry, and = heterogeneous surface, moves into the astrobiological spotlight. = Environmental conditions on Titan and Earth were similar in many = respects 4 billion years ago, the approximate time when life originated = on Earth. Life may have originated on Titan during its warmer early = history and then developed adaptation strategies to cope with the = increasingly cold conditions. If organisms originated and persisted, = metabolic strategies could exist that would provide sufficient energy = for life to persist, even today. Metabolic reactions might include the = catalytic hydrogenation of photochemically produced acetylene, or = involve the recombination of radicals created in the atmosphere by UV = radiation. Metabolic activity may even contribute to the apparent youth, = smoothness, and high activity of the surface of Titan via biothermal = energy.=20 http://au.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0501068 ------=_NextPart_000_029A_01C4FBDC.9CAC2200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Biologically Enhanced Energy and Carbon Cycling on=20 Titan?

Authors: D.=20 Schulze-Makuch, D.=20 Grinspoon
Subj-class: Biological Physics; Chemical = Physics
With the Cassini-Huygens Mission in orbit around Saturn, the = large=20 moon Titan, with its reducing atmosphere, rich organic chemistry, and=20 heterogeneous surface, moves into the astrobiological spotlight. = Environmental=20 conditions on Titan and Earth were similar in many respects 4 billion = years=20 ago, the approximate time when life originated on Earth. Life may have = originated on Titan during its warmer early history and then developed = adaptation strategies to cope with the increasingly cold conditions. = If=20 organisms originated and persisted, metabolic strategies could exist = that=20 would provide sufficient energy for life to persist, even today. = Metabolic=20 reactions might include the catalytic hydrogenation of photochemically = produced acetylene, or involve the recombination of radicals created = in the=20 atmosphere by UV radiation. Metabolic activity may even contribute to = the=20 apparent youth, smoothness, and high activity of the surface of Titan = via=20 biothermal energy.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_029A_01C4FBDC.9CAC2200-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Jan 17 22:22:40 2005 Received: from seti1.setileague.org (seti1.setileague.org [204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0I6McUL013571 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id BAA21304 for public-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:09:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav31.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.61]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21300; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:09:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.138.22.250 by BAY4-DAV31.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:08:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.138.22.250] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" , "europa" Subject: SETI public: Excitement and puzzlement as Cornell views first Titan images Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:08:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C4FCFA.3F5CB3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:08:40 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2005 06:09:01.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[34755050:01C4FD24] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C4FCFA.3F5CB3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Jan05/Huygens.landing.deb.html Excitement and puzzlement as Cornell views first Titan images by Larry Klaes At 2:55 p.m. on Friday, Jan. 14, the first image of the surface of = Saturn's largest moon, Titan, taken by the Cassini-Huygens space probe, = was shown to the world. Taken from an altitude of 10 miles as the = saucer-shaped Huygens probe parachuted through the murky orange = atmosphere, the raw, unprocessed image showed what appeared to be = drainage channels flowing into a dark, featureless region.=20 "Mudslides!" was among the verbal reactions from those present in the = third-floor Spacecraft Imaging Facility (SPIF) conference room in the = Space Sciences Building. Indeed, it was hard not to imagine that the = scene depicted rivers flowing into a large body of liquid, complete with = shoreline and nearby islands.=20 "This high-altitude photo looks a lot like the runoff channels we have = seen on Mars," offered astronomy graduate student Britt Scharringhausen. = The comments amid the frissons of excitement as new images from above = Titan and then on its surface came up on the screen via NASA-TV lasted = for much of the day as members of the campus community and the general = public who crowded into the building--courtesy of the Department of = Astronomy and Rick Kline, SPIF's data manager--shared the rare = experience of seeing a totally alien world for the first time through = the electronic eyes and instruments of Huygens.=20 The open house, which had been widely publicized, brought parents and = children, students, faculty and even President Jeffrey Lehman to witness = the historic unveiling of images from Titan. Also occasionally present, = and inevitably bombarded with questions, were some Cornell members of = the science team for the Cassini spacecraft, which went into a Saturn = orbit on June 30, 2004. Team members include Joseph Burns, the Irving = Porter Church Professor of Engineering, Theoretical and Applied = Mechanics, professor of astronomy and Cornell's vice provost for = physical sciences and engineering; Joseph Veverka, professor and chair = of the Department of Astronomy; astronomy professors Steve Squyres, = Peter Gierasch and Philip Nicholson; and Peter Thomas, senior researcher = in astronomy.=20 Cornell's contributions to the Cassini mission are the two main cameras = that take wide and narrow angles of Saturn and its rings and moons, and = the composite infrared spectrometer (CIRS), which measures the thermal = radiation of the object being examined.=20 During the morning, the European Space Agency (ESA), which is largely = responsible for the Huygens probe, officially announced that the = 700-pound vehicle had successfully landed on the moon's bitterly cold = surface. Huygens then returned data for nearly two hours from the ground = via the Cassini probe orbiting Saturn, much longer than the three to 30 = minutes originally anticipated. The images traveled across 750 million = miles of interplanetary space in more than an hour to reach eager = scientists on Earth.=20 The first image from Titan's surface, a black-and-white picture showing = rounded ice boulders extending across a relatively flat surface to the = horizon, surprised some Cornell watchers. "Titan's surface seems to have = similar qualities to what we have seen on the surface of Mars," = suggested Justin Wick, a Cornell graduate student who wrote the software = for the mission planning lists of another space mission with Cornell = involvement, the Mars rover mission. Researcher Burns later noted that = the Huygens images gave further evidence that Titan has a "totally = bizarre landscape. Titan's surface is made up of totally different = materials in a very dense atmosphere. The surface appears mundane, but = it is actually spectacular."=20 As more images of Titan were scheduled to be shown at 5 p.m., the open = house crowd became so large that the presentation was moved to a larger = room on the first floor, which quickly filled up.=20 "This is a testament to the ability of people around the world to join = together in a collaborative venture," said Lehman after seeing the = images. "It opens an entirely new window of scientific understanding = into the nature of the universe that we all share."=20 Matt Hedman, a post doctoral researcher who has been working with Burns = on the images from Cassini, summed up in two words what most people were = thinking about the images from Titan: "Happily confused."=20 More information on the the landing is at = http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press-release-details.cfm?newsID=3D530. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C4FCFA.3F5CB3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Jan05/Huygens.landing.deb.html
 
Excitement and puzzlement as Cornell views first Titan images
 
by Larry Klaes
 
At 2:55 p.m. on Friday, Jan. 14, the first image of the surface of = Saturn's=20 largest moon, Titan, taken by the Cassini-Huygens space probe, was shown = to the=20 world. Taken from an altitude of 10 miles as the saucer-shaped Huygens = probe=20 parachuted through the murky orange atmosphere, the raw, unprocessed = image=20 showed what appeared to be drainage channels flowing into a dark, = featureless=20 region.

"Mudslides!" was among the verbal reactions from those present in the = third-floor Spacecraft Imaging Facility (SPIF) conference room in the = Space=20 Sciences Building. Indeed, it was hard not to imagine that the scene = depicted=20 rivers flowing into a large body of liquid, complete with shoreline and = nearby=20 islands.=20

"This high-altitude photo looks a lot like the runoff channels we = have seen=20 on Mars," offered astronomy graduate student Britt Scharringhausen.=20

The comments amid the frissons of excitement as new images from above = Titan=20 and then on its surface came up on the screen via NASA-TV lasted for = much of the=20 day as members of the campus community and the general public who = crowded into=20 the building--courtesy of the Department of Astronomy and Rick Kline, = SPIF's=20 data manager--shared the rare experience of seeing a totally alien world = for the=20 first time through the electronic eyes and instruments of Huygens.=20

The open house, which had been widely publicized, brought parents and = children, students, faculty and even President Jeffrey Lehman to witness = the=20 historic unveiling of images from Titan. Also occasionally present, and=20 inevitably bombarded with questions, were some Cornell members of the = science=20 team for the Cassini spacecraft, which went into a Saturn orbit on June = 30,=20 2004. Team members include Joseph Burns, the Irving Porter Church = Professor of=20 Engineering, Theoretical and Applied Mechanics, professor of astronomy = and=20 Cornell's vice provost for physical sciences and engineering; Joseph = Veverka,=20 professor and chair of the Department of Astronomy; astronomy professors = Steve=20 Squyres, Peter Gierasch and Philip Nicholson; and Peter Thomas, senior=20 researcher in astronomy.=20

Cornell's contributions to the Cassini mission are the two main = cameras that=20 take wide and narrow angles of Saturn and its rings and moons, and the = composite=20 infrared spectrometer (CIRS), which measures the thermal radiation of = the object=20 being examined.=20

During the morning, the European Space Agency (ESA), which is largely = responsible for the Huygens probe, officially announced that the = 700-pound=20 vehicle had successfully landed on the moon's bitterly cold surface. = Huygens=20 then returned data for nearly two hours from the ground via the Cassini = probe=20 orbiting Saturn, much longer than the three to 30 minutes originally=20 anticipated. The images traveled across 750 million miles of = interplanetary=20 space in more than an hour to reach eager scientists on Earth.=20

The first image from Titan's surface, a black-and-white picture = showing=20 rounded ice boulders extending across a relatively flat surface to the = horizon,=20 surprised some Cornell watchers. "Titan's surface seems to have similar=20 qualities to what we have seen on the surface of Mars," suggested Justin = Wick, a=20 Cornell graduate student who wrote the software for the mission planning = lists=20 of another space mission with Cornell involvement, the Mars rover = mission.=20 Researcher Burns later noted that the Huygens images gave further = evidence that=20 Titan has a "totally bizarre landscape. Titan's surface is made up of = totally=20 different materials in a very dense atmosphere. The surface appears = mundane, but=20 it is actually spectacular."=20

As more images of Titan were scheduled to be shown at 5 p.m., the = open house=20 crowd became so large that the presentation was moved to a larger room = on the=20 first floor, which quickly filled up.=20

"This is a testament to the ability of people around the world to = join=20 together in a collaborative venture," said Lehman after seeing the = images. "It=20 opens an entirely new window of scientific understanding into the nature = of the=20 universe that we all share."=20

Matt Hedman, a post doctoral researcher who has been working with = Burns on=20 the images from Cassini, summed up in two words what most people were = thinking=20 about the images from Titan: "Happily confused."=20

More information on the the landing is at http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press-release-details.cfm?newsID=3D5= 30.

 

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