From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Oct 3 20:04:16 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9434EUL017683 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id WAA24620 for public-list; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:22:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24616 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MarcusJohn@aol.com Received: from MarcusJohn@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.7.) id z.c0.17e143f8 (1320); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:21:46 EDT Subject: SETI public: Fwd: Donor Recognition Page / Friends of the Bracewell Observatory To: public@setileague.org, bob@bambi.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c0.17e143f8.2e920dba_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk --part1_c0.17e143f8.2e920dba_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1096856506" -------------------------------1096856506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone. The first step of saving the Bracewell Observatory at Stanford is well under way. There were 16 individuals who stepped forward to help save it, and someone with a matching pledge of $10,000. The Bracewell Observatory consists of 5 dishes, 60 feet each. To let it go, when there is so much unexplored radiocelestial space, would be a colossal waste. Not to mention that these dishes are totally cool and highly educational. As you can see below, the Seti League had a small role to play in saving these dishes. _http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html_ (http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html) The president of the Seti League, Richard Factor, is listed but not as a Seti League participant. Bob, can you fix that? He should get that asterisk as a Seti Leaguer, unless he objects. Now there is a long hard slog in front of us to continue with this save. I hope we can pull it off. John Marcus In a message dated 10/3/2004 7:19:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bob@bambi.net writes: Hi all - I wanted to thank you again for your quick action which prevented the imminent demolition of the Bracewell Radio Telescope. In recognition of your support, your name has been placed on our Donor Recognition Page at: _http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html_ (http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html) I will update you as the project progresses. Best wishes, Bob -------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lash, M.D., B.S.E.E./C.S. Email: _bob@bambi.net_ (mailto:bob@bambi.net) _http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/rescue.html_ (http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/rescue.html) -------------------------------1096856506 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone.
 
The first step of saving the Bracewell Observatory at Stanford is well=20 under way. There were 16 individuals who stepped forward to help save it, an= d=20 someone with a matching pledge of $10,000.  
 
The Bracewell Observatory consists of 5 dishes, 60 feet each.
 
To let it go, when there is so much unexplored radiocelestial space, wo= uld=20 be a colossal waste. Not to mention that these dishes are totally=20= cool=20 and highly educational.  
 
As you can see below, the Seti League had a small role to play in savin= g=20 these dishes.
 
 
The president of the Seti League, Richard Factor, is listed but=20 not as a Seti League participant.
 
Bob, can you fix that? He should get that asterisk as a Seti Leaguer,=20 unless he objects.
 
Now there is a long hard slog in front of us to continue with this save= .=20
 
I hope we can pull it off.
 
John Marcus
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/3/2004 7:19:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 bob@bambi.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
Hi all -
 
I wanted to thank you again for your quic= k=20 action which prevented the imminent demolition of the Bracewell=20 Radio Telescope.
 
In recognition of your support, your name= has=20 been placed on our Donor Recognition Page at:
 
http://www.bambi= .net/stanford_dishes/donors.html
 
I will update you as the project=20 progresses.
 
Best wishes,
 
Bob
 
--------------------------------------------------------
Bob L= ash,=20 M.D., B.S.E.E./C.S.

Email: bob@bambi.net
http://www.bambi= .net/stanford_dishes/rescue.html
    
-------------------------------1096856506-- --part1_c0.17e143f8.2e920dba_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.137]) by air-xb02.mail.aol.com (v101_r1.4) with ESMTP id MAILINXB23-ab41608900228; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:19:41 -0400 Received: from bambi-a.bambi.net (user-112vomc.biz.mindspring.com [66.47.226.204]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v101_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB51-ab41608900228; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:19:32 -0400 Received: from aronnax (project.bambi.net [66.47.226.206]) by bambi-a.bambi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23837; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:18:41 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c4a99f$56e5a000$0701a8c0@aronnax> From: "Bob Lash" To: "Tyler Nagel" , "Robert A. Lodder, Ph.D." , "Richard Factor" , "Michael Cousins" , "Mark Bracewell" , "Malcolm Mallette" , "John McKay" <3peaks@daelnet.co.uk>, "John Marcus" , "Harry Kimball" , "Don Latham" , "David Ocame" , "Bruce Lerner" , "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." Subject: Donor Recognition Page / Friends of the Bracewell Observatory Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:18:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4A964.941E6460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AOL-IP: 66.47.226.204 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4A964.941E6460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all - I wanted to thank you again for your quick action which prevented the immine= nt demolition of the Bracewell Radio Telescope.=20 In recognition of your support, your name has been placed on our Donor Recog= nition Page at: =20 http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html I will update you as the project progresses. Best wishes, Bob -------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lash, M.D., B.S.E.E./C.S. Co-Organizer Friends of the Bracewell Observatory Association 567 Canyon Road Redwood City, CA 94062 H: (650) 365-5671 M: (650) 888-2372 Fax: (650) 365-6906 Email: bob@bambi.net http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/rescue.html ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4A964.941E6460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all -
 
I wanted to thank you again for your quick=20 action which prevented the imminent demolition of the Bracewell Ra= dio=20 Telescope.
&= nbsp;
In recognition of your support, your name h= as been=20 placed on our Donor Recognition Page at:
 
 
I will update you as the project=20 progresses.
 
Best wishes,
 
Bob
 
-----------------------------------------= ---------------
Bob Lash,=20 M.D., B.S.E.E./C.S.
Co-Organizer
Friends of the Bracewell Observatory=20 Association
567 Canyon Road
Redwood City, CA  94062
H: (650)=20 365-5671
M: (650) 888-2372
Fax: (650) 365-6906
Email: bob@bambi.net
http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/rescue.ht= ml
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4A964.941E6460-- --part1_c0.17e143f8.2e920dba_boundary-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Oct 3 21:37:02 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i944b0UL025775 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id AAA27637 for public-list; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:24:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from sonicyouth.fatport.com ([216.187.77.179]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27633 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.81.54.24] (helo=setileague.org) by sonicyouth.fatport.com with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CEKJ5-0006QU-00; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 04:18:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4160D005.50608@setileague.org> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:22:29 -0700 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: public@setileague.org CC: bob@bambi.net Subject: Re: SETI public: Fwd: Donor Recognition Page / Friends of the Bracewell Observatory References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk MarcusJohn@aol.com wrote: > As you can see below, the Seti League had a small role to play in saving > these dishes. In addition to the SETI League members whose names are marked with asterisks, other listed donors who are SETI League members include Richard Factor, Al Aburto, Malcolm Mallette, Harry Kimball, and Don Latham. Thus, fully half of the donors are SETI League members. Thanks, folks, for the tremendous support! -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 4 06:11:23 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i94DBLUL019435 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA10243 for public-list; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:50:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from web81704.mail.yahoo.com (web81704.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.135]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10239 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20041004125010.62931.qmail@web81704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.132.89.165] by web81704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 05:50:10 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ocame Subject: Re: SETI public: Fwd: Donor Recognition Page / Friends of the Bracewell Observatory To: public@setileague.org, bob@bambi.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Just got all this and I echo John and Paul (where's Ringo?). Great work everyone.! Thanks, Dave Ocame --- MarcusJohn@aol.com wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > The first step of saving the Bracewell Observatory > at Stanford is well under > way. There were 16 individuals who stepped forward > to help save it, and > someone with a matching pledge of $10,000. > > The Bracewell Observatory consists of 5 dishes, 60 > feet each. > > To let it go, when there is so much unexplored > radiocelestial space, would > be a colossal waste. Not to mention that these > dishes are totally cool and > highly educational. > > As you can see below, the Seti League had a small > role to play in saving > these dishes. > > _http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html_ > (http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html) > > The president of the Seti League, Richard Factor, is > listed but not as a > Seti League participant. > > Bob, can you fix that? He should get that asterisk > as a Seti Leaguer, unless > he objects. > > Now there is a long hard slog in front of us to > continue with this save. > > I hope we can pull it off. > > John Marcus > > > > In a message dated 10/3/2004 7:19:41 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, bob@bambi.net > writes: > > Hi all - > > I wanted to thank you again for your quick action > which prevented the > imminent demolition of the Bracewell Radio > Telescope. > > In recognition of your support, your name has been > placed on our Donor > Recognition Page at: > > _http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html_ > (http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html) > > I will update you as the project progresses. > > Best wishes, > > Bob > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lash, M.D., B.S.E.E./C.S. > > Email: _bob@bambi.net_ (mailto:bob@bambi.net) > _http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/rescue.html_ > (http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/rescue.html) > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > From: "Bob Lash" > To: "Tyler Nagel" , > "Robert A. Lodder, Ph.D." > , > "Richard Factor" , > "Michael Cousins" , > "Mark Bracewell" , > "Malcolm Mallette" , > "John McKay" <3peaks@daelnet.co.uk>, > "John Marcus" , > "Harry Kimball" , > "Don Latham" , "David > Ocame" , > "Bruce Lerner" , > "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." > > Subject: Donor Recognition Page / Friends of the > Bracewell Observatory > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:18:11 -0700 > > Hi all - > > I wanted to thank you again for your quick action > which prevented the imminent demolition of the > Bracewell Radio Telescope. > > In recognition of your support, your name has been > placed on our Donor Recognition Page at: > > http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/donors.html > > I will update you as the project progresses. > > Best wishes, > > Bob > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lash, M.D., B.S.E.E./C.S. > Co-Organizer > Friends of the Bracewell Observatory Association > 567 Canyon Road > Redwood City, CA 94062 > H: (650) 365-5671 > M: (650) 888-2372 > Fax: (650) 365-6906 > Email: bob@bambi.net > http://www.bambi.net/stanford_dishes/rescue.html > ===== *********************************** *********************************** Dave Ocame, N1YVV East Shore Park Observatory FN31ng -72.53856 longitude 41.16797 latitude From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Oct 5 10:13:08 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i95HD7UL002510 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA22485 for public-list; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:58:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav27.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.57]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22474; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:58:03 -0700 Received: from 63.159.124.107 by bay4-dav27.bay4.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:57:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.124.107] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Are We the Galaxy's Youngest Residents? 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We=20 don't know, but there could be thousands, and possibly millions, of = Earth-like=20 planets studding the dark latitudes of the Milky Way. Our Galaxy could = be thick=20 with worlds that host not just life, but intelligence. In this putative = club of=20 sentients, is it possible that we are the newest arrivals?
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0404_01C4AADA.E5484E10-- From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Oct 6 05:27:31 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i96CRRUL002961 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA21281 for public-list; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:16:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav14.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.118]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21277; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:16:00 -0700 Received: from 63.159.188.188 by BAY4-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:15:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.188.188] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: John Mack killed in car crash on September 27 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:15:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4AB7C.A0BC5CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:15:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2004 12:16:00.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DFED5B0:01C4AB9E] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4AB7C.A0BC5CD0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0045_01C4AB7C.A0BECDD0" ------=_NextPart_001_0045_01C4AB7C.A0BECDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue389/news.html UFO Expert Perishes In Crash=20 arvard professor John E. Mack, M.D., Pulitzer Prize-winning author of = Abduction and Passport to the Cosmos, was killed Sept. 27 when he was = struck by an automobile in England, sources told SCI FI Wire. Mack = worked with SCI FI Channel on the miniseries Taken and participated in = the network-sponsored UFO Abduction Symposium in New York in 2002. A controversial figure in the field of UFO studies, Mack stunned the = world when he published the results of his extensive research involving = clients who claimed they had experienced extraterrestrial encounters. He = was also a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and = founding director of the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research = (PEER). Mack's earlier books include A Prince of Our Disorder, a = biography of T.E. Lawrence which earned the author a Pulitzer Prize. ------=_NextPart_001_0045_01C4AB7C.A0BECDD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.scifi.com= /sfw/issue389/news.html

UFO Expert Perishes In Crash

3DH=20arvard=20 professor John E. Mack, M.D., Pulitzer Prize-winning author of = Abduction=20 and Passport to the Cosmos, was killed Sept. 27 when he was = struck by an=20 automobile in England, sources told SCI FI Wire. Mack worked = with=20 SCI FI Channel on the miniseries Taken and participated in the=20 network-sponsored UFO Abduction Symposium in New York in = 2002.

A = controversial figure=20 in the field of UFO studies, Mack stunned the world when he published = the=20 results of his extensive research involving clients who claimed they had = experienced extraterrestrial encounters. He was also a professor of = psychiatry=20 at Harvard Medical School and founding director of the Program for = Extraordinary=20 Experience Research (PEER). Mack's earlier books include A Prince of = Our=20 Disorder, a biography of T.E. Lawrence which earned the author a = Pulitzer=20 Prize.

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Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: SETI public: Dish available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [209.158.55.107] at Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:45:48 -0500 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, I have received an email from a person in British Columbia who has very kindly offered to donate her satellite TV dish for SETI purposes. She writes: "i have a dish i would like to give to you...however i live in duncan, b.c. canada near washington...write me if i can deliver to someone... regards, natalie schwantje" Any interested member is encouraged to contact Natalie to arrange pickup of her antenna. Please email her directly at , and cc me at SETI League headquarters. Thanks. Yours for SETI success, Paul -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" 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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C4AF67.96A478B0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 11 08:28:47 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9BFSkUL018829 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id IAA18816 for public-list; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:55:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18809 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFEDDC100; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from setileague.org (ip82.213.23.209.susc.suscom.net [209.23.213.82]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA402DC114; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <416A8236.5060206@setileague.org> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:53:10 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: SETI public: Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Verifying list integrety. Please disregard. -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 11 08:29:27 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9BFTQUL028316 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id LAA12609 for public-list; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:45:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav32.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.62]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12604 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:45:04 -0700 Received: from 63.159.193.30 by BAY4-DAV32.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:44:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.193.30] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: What Is Life - and How Do We Search for It in Other Worlds? Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:44:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C4ADF5.5B379AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2004 15:45:04.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1CB69D0:01C4AE16] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C4ADF5.5B379AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need a "tricorder"-the convenient, hand-held device featured on Star = Trek that can detect life forms even from orbit. Unfortunately, we don't = have a clue how a tricorder might work, since life forms don't seem to = have any observable property that distinguishes them from inanimate = matter. Furthermore, we lack a definition of life that can guide a = search for life outside Earth. How can we find what we can't define? An = answer may lie in the observation that life uses a small, discrete set = of organic molecules as basic building blocks. On the surface of Europa = and in the subsurface of Mars, we can search for alien but analogous = patterns in the organics. http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=3D985 ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C4ADF5.5B379AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I need a =93tricorder=94=97the convenient, hand-held device featured = on Star=20 Trek that can detect life forms even from orbit. Unfortunately, we = don't=20 have a clue how a tricorder might work, since life forms don't seem to = have any=20 observable property that distinguishes them from inanimate matter. = Furthermore,=20 we lack a definition of life that can guide a search for life outside = Earth. How=20 can we find what we can't define? An answer may lie in the observation = that life=20 uses a small, discrete set of organic molecules as basic building = blocks. On the=20 surface of Europa and in the subsurface of Mars, we can search for alien = but=20 analogous patterns in the organics.

 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C4ADF5.5B379AA0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 11 08:32:43 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9BFWfUL003414 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id LAA17146 for public-list; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:16:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav21.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.125]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17141 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:16:01 -0700 Received: from 63.159.152.52 by BAY4-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:15:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.152.52] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: Radio astronomers remove the blindfold Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:15:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4AEBA.6C8608D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2004 15:16:01.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D385410:01C4AEDC] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4AEBA.6C8608D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radio astronomers remove the blindfold PARTICLE PHYSICS AND ASTRONOMY RESEARCH COUNCIL Posted: October 9, 2004 UK radio astronomers at the Jodrell Bank Observatory, working with = colleagues from Europe and the USA, have demonstrated a new technique = that will revolutionise the way they observe.=20 To create the very best quality images of the sky, they routinely = combine data from multiple telescopes from around the world - a = technique called Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI). They have now = combined this with the power of dedicated internet resources to send = data from all the telescopes to a special computer, to combine the = observations in real-time (e-VLBI).=20 http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0410/09evlbi/ "It has taken humanity 4.5 billion years to discover that it is 4.5 = billion years old." - George Wald, biologist ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4AEBA.6C8608D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Radio astronomers remove the blindfold

PARTICLE PHYSICS AND ASTRONOMY RESEARCH=20 COUNCIL
Posted: October 9, 2004

UK radio astronomers at the = Jodrell Bank=20 Observatory, working with colleagues from Europe and the USA, have = demonstrated=20 a new technique that will revolutionise the way they observe.

To create the very best quality images of the sky, they routinely = combine=20 data from multiple telescopes from around the world - a technique called = Very=20 Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI). They have now combined this with = the power=20 of dedicated internet resources to send data from all the telescopes to = a=20 special computer, to combine the observations in real-time (e-VLBI). =

http://www.spa= ceflightnow.com/news/n0410/09evlbi/

=93It has taken humanity 4.5 = billion years=20 to discover that it is 4.5 billion years old.=94 =96 George Wald,=20 biologist

 

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4AEBA.6C8608D0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 11 14:07:35 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9BL7XUL010316 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id QAA12473 for public-list; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248] (may be forged)) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12465 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D174D8818; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 32287-01; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix, from userid 89) id 7240DD8A80; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from setileague.org (ip82.213.23.209.susc.suscom.net [209.23.213.82]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D437D9869; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <416AB990.1010501@setileague.org> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:49:20 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SETI League Public Subject: SETI public: State Employee Fired For Using State Property To Search For Aliens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk State Employee Fired For Using State Property To Search For Aliens Reported by: AP 10/8/04 11:37:33 AM The search for extraterrestrial life has ended at the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. The department on Thursday fired a computer programmer who admitted to using a state-owned computer server to process data for the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence project, run by the University of California at Berkeley. Charles E. Smith, 63, told administrators he didn't think loading the SETI software on the server was much of a problem because he ran the program only on weekends and on weekdays between 7 p.m. and 7 a.m., when the server wasn't being used, according to a disciplinary report. Department director Tom Hayes disagreed. "I understand his desire to search for intelligent life in outer space, because obviously he doesn't find it in the mirror in the morning," Hayes said. "I think that people can be comfortable that security has beamed this man out of our building." Smith, who earned $60,000 a year, didn't return a phone call seeking comment from The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer. There was no immediate response to messages left Friday by The Associated Press at the two phone listings in Columbus under the name Charles E. Smith. -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 11 15:37:11 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9BMb9UL030712 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id SAA14370 for public-list; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:27:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from gizmo06bw.bigpond.com (gizmo06bw.bigpond.com [144.140.70.41]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14366 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19837 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bwmam02.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.72) by gizmo06bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-203-51-196-190.qld.bigpond.net.au ([203.51.196.190]) by bwmam02.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 17/72865115) with SMTP id 72865115; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:26:26 +1000 Message-ID: <001001c4afe1$59021e70$5b1efea9@cruncher> From: "Noel" To: Subject: SETI public: Working Again Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:26:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4B035.2A4A1570" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4B035.2A4A1570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Paul, I don't know what you did but the server is now working. I got a flood = of emails=20 this morning. It appears that some others had also noticed that the = lists were=20 quiet. Thanks, Noel Welstead ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4B035.2A4A1570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Paul,
I don't know what you did but the = server is now=20 working. I got a flood of emails
this morning. It appears that some = others had also=20 noticed that the lists were
quiet.
 
Thanks,
Noel = Welstead
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4B035.2A4A1570-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Oct 12 06:40:45 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CDeiUL019682 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA04872 for public-list; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:29:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav22.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.52]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04868 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:29:01 -0700 Received: from 63.159.208.207 by BAY4-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:28:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.208.207] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:28:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C4B03D.DF6E2DD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2004 13:29:01.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FEF6C40:01C4B05F] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C4B03D.DF6E2DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HOW TO RESPOND TO A SETI DETECTION Michael Paine > Ray Norris from the Australia Telescope National Facility has made a PDF = copy of his paper "How to respond to a SETI detection" available at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/papers/n188.pdf It includes links to protocols and people who can provide informed=20 comment if a signal is detected. Ray mentions the Torino scale for NEO=20 detections as an example of a possible SETI detection rating system. The media might consider downloading it and bookmarking several of Ray's = links to SETI resources - just in case... I have more links at http://www4.tpg.com.au/users/horsts/seti.html regards Michael Paine ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C4B03D.DF6E2DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HOW TO RESPOND TO A SETI DETECTION

Michael Paine <mpaine@tpg.com.au>

Ray = Norris from=20 the Australia Telescope National Facility has made a PDF
copy of his = paper=20 "How to respond to a SETI detection" available at
http://w= ww.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/papers/n188.pdf

It includes links to protocols and people who can provide = informed=20
comment if a signal is detected. Ray mentions the Torino scale for = NEO=20
detections as an example of a possible SETI detection rating=20 system.

The media might consider downloading it and bookmarking = several=20 of Ray's
links to SETI resources - just in case...

I have more links=20 at

Michael Paine

------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C4B03D.DF6E2DD0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Oct 12 06:58:02 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CDw0UL009900 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA05356 for public-list; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05352 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69DEDC068; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from setileague.org (ip97.91.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.91.97]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BDFF4DBC1B; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <416BE072.3090204@setileague.org> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:47:30 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LARRY KLAES , SETI League Public , mpaine@tpg.com.au Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk LARRY KLAES wrote: > Michael Paine > > Ray Norris from the Australia Telescope National Facility has made a PDF > copy of his paper "How to respond to a SETI detection" available at > http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/papers/n188.pdf > > It includes links to protocols and people who can provide informed > comment if a signal is detected. Ray mentions the Torino scale for NEO > detections as an example of a possible SETI detection rating system. This is a very old paper, but one with great historical value. Several years ago, the SETI Permanent Study Group of the International Academy of Astronautics developed and adopted the Rio Scale, a method similar to the Torino scale, designed for quantifying the significance of a SETI detection. For full background information on the Rio Scale, and published papers on the subject by me and others, as well as an interactive JavaScript Rio Scale Calculator to allow you to do your own assessments, browse to http://iaaseti.org, and click on Rio Scale from the main menu (left hand column) of any page on that site. -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Oct 12 14:15:17 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CLFGUL018002 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id QAA15415 for public-list; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav24.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.54]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15399 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:51:02 -0700 Received: from 63.159.196.106 by BAY4-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:50:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.196.106] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "SETI League Public" , , "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" References: <416BE072.3090204@setileague.org> Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:50:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0180_01C4B07B.9846CFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:50:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2004 20:51:02.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FA96080:01C4B09D] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C4B07B.9846CFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It also does not mention the case of the signal being optical in nature, = or the finding of an artifact or probe. The latter scenario will = definitely add a layer or two of issues. Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI? That is the biggest = question of all. Larry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr. H. Paul Shuch=20 To: LARRY KLAES ; SETI League = Public ; = mpaine@tpg.com.au=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection LARRY KLAES wrote: > Michael Paine > >=20 > Ray Norris from the Australia Telescope National Facility has made a = PDF=20 > copy of his paper "How to respond to a SETI detection" available at > = http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/papers/n188.pdf> >=20 > It includes links to protocols and people who can provide informed=20 > comment if a signal is detected. Ray mentions the Torino scale for = NEO=20 > detections as an example of a possible SETI detection rating system. This is a very old paper, but one with great historical value. = Several=20 years ago, the SETI Permanent Study Group of the International Academy = of Astronautics developed and adopted the Rio Scale, a method similar = to=20 the Torino scale, designed for quantifying the significance of a SETI=20 detection. For full background information on the Rio Scale, and=20 published papers on the subject by me and others, as well as an=20 interactive JavaScript Rio Scale Calculator to allow you to do your = own=20 assessments, browse to http://iaaseti.org, and = click on Rio Scale from=20 the main menu (left hand column) of any page on that site. --=20 H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL = http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: = drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C4B07B.9846CFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It also does not mention the case of the signal being optical in = nature, or=20 the finding of an artifact or probe.  The latter scenario will = definitely=20 add a layer or two of issues.
 
Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI?  = That is=20 the biggest question of all.
 
Larry
 
----- Original Message -----
To: LARRY KLAES ; SETI League Public ; = mpaine@tpg.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 = 9:47=20 AM
Subject: Re: SETI public: How = to respond=20 to a SETI detection

LARRY KLAES wrote:
> Michael Paine <mpaine@tpg.com.au>
> =
> Ray=20 Norris from the Australia Telescope National Facility has made a PDF =
>=20 copy of his paper "How to respond to a SETI detection" available = at
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/= people/rnorris/papers/n188.pdf<http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris= /papers/n188.pdf>
>=20
> It includes links to protocols and people who can provide = informed=20
> comment if a signal is detected. Ray mentions the Torino = scale for=20 NEO
> detections as an example of a possible SETI detection = rating=20 system.

This is a very old paper, but one with great historical = value.  Several
years ago, the SETI Permanent Study Group of = the=20 International Academy
of Astronautics developed and adopted the = Rio Scale,=20 a method similar to
the Torino scale, designed for quantifying the = significance of a SETI
detection.  For full background = information on=20 the Rio Scale, and
published papers on the subject by me and = others, as=20 well as an
interactive JavaScript Rio Scale Calculator to allow = you to do=20 your own
assessments, browse to http://iaaseti.org, and click on Rio = Scale from=20
the main menu (left hand column) of any page on that = site.

--=20
H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D.    Executive Director, The = SETI=20 League, Inc.
433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643=20 USA
voice (201) 641-1770;  fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org
email= work:=20 n6tx@setileague.org;  = home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu
"We=20 Know We're Not Alone!"


------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C4B07B.9846CFA0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Oct 12 14:43:00 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CLgwUL031786 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id RAA16526 for public-list; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:32:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from web81708.mail.yahoo.com (web81708.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.139]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16522 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20041012213143.39105.qmail@web81708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.159.153.84] by web81708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:31:43 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ocame Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection To: public@seti1.setileague.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-543089155-1097616703=:37516" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk --0-543089155-1097616703=:37516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good number of them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests that we are not ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, at least first, non surprise. Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI? That is the biggest question of all. *********************************** *********************************** Dave Ocame, N1YVV Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory FN31ng -72.53856 longitude 41.16797 latitude Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and, The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society --0-543089155-1097616703=:37516 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good number of them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests that we are not ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, at least first, non surprise.
Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI?  That is the biggest question of all.


***********************************
***********************************

Dave Ocame, N1YVV 
Awards Chair
The SETILeague, Inc
www.setileague.org

East Shore Park Observatory
FN31ng
-72.53856 longitude
41.16797 latitude
Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,
The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and,
The Planetary Society
--0-543089155-1097616703=:37516-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Oct 12 18:02:35 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9D12YUL026726 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id UAA21350 for public-list; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:46:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav20.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.124]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21346 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:46:02 -0700 Received: from 63.159.188.158 by BAY4-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:45:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.188.158] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: , "David Ocame" References: <20041012213143.39105.qmail@web81708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:45:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4B09C.76165BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2004 00:46:02.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[03A709D0:01C4B0BE] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4B09C.76165BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, but how many of them have actually encountered one? And for those = who claim they have, the reactions are usually one of terror. Larry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Ocame=20 To: public@seti1.setileague.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good number = of them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests that we = are not ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, at least = first, non surprise. Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI? That is the = biggest question of all. ***********************************=20 ***********************************=20 Dave Ocame, N1YVV =20 Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory=20 FN31ng=20 -72.53856 longitude=20 41.16797 latitude=20 Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,=20 The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4B09C.76165BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, but how many of them have actually encountered one?  And = for=20 those who claim they have, the reactions are usually one of = terror.
 
Larry
 
----- Original Message -----
From: David=20 Ocame
To: public@seti1.setileague.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 = 5:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: SETI public: How = to respond=20 to a SETI detection

Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good = number of=20 them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests that we = are not=20 ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, at least = first, non=20 surprise.
Is our society really ready for contact by an = ETI?  That=20 is the biggest question of = all.


***********************************=20
***********************************

Dave Ocame, = N1YVV 
Awards Chair
The SETILeague, Inc
www.setileague.org

East = Shore Park=20 Observatory
FN31ng
-72.53856 longitude
41.16797 latitude=20
Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,
The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and,
The Planetary = Society
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4B09C.76165BA0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Tue Oct 12 18:30:57 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9D1UuUL014784 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id VAA22181 for public-list; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from web81704.mail.yahoo.com (web81704.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.135]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22177 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20041013011921.90624.qmail@web81704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.159.153.84] by web81704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:19:21 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ocame Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection To: public@seti1.setileague.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-258087206-1097630361=:90264" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk --0-258087206-1097630361=:90264 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yup. Very good point. I have a cutout from a magazine (don't remember which) on my computer that reads: "4 million Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens. Most just after happy hour." LARRY KLAES wrote: Yes, but how many of them have actually encountered one? And for those who claim they have, the reactions are usually one of terror. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: David Ocame To: public@seti1.setileague.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good number of them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests that we are not ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, at least first, non surprise. Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI? That is the biggest question of all. *********************************** *********************************** Dave Ocame, N1YVV Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory FN31ng -72.53856 longitude 41.16797 latitude Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and, The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society *********************************** *********************************** Dave Ocame, N1YVV Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory FN31ng -72.53856 longitude 41.16797 latitude Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and, The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society --0-258087206-1097630361=:90264 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yup. Very good point.
 
I have a cutout from a magazine (don't remember which) on my computer that reads:
 
"4 million Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens. Most just after happy hour."

LARRY KLAES <ljk4@msn.com> wrote:
Yes, but how many of them have actually encountered one?  And for those who claim they have, the reactions are usually one of terror.
 
Larry
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection

Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good number of them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests that we are not ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, at least first, non surprise.
Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI?  That is the biggest question of all.


***********************************
***********************************

Dave Ocame, N1YVV 
Awards Chair
The SETILeague, Inc
www.setileague.org

East Shore Park Observatory
FN31ng
-72.53856 longitude
41.16797 latitude
Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,
The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and,
The Planetary Society


***********************************
***********************************

Dave Ocame, N1YVV 
Awards Chair
The SETILeague, Inc
www.setileague.org

East Shore Park Observatory
FN31ng
-72.53856 longitude
41.16797 latitude
Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,
The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and,
The Planetary Society
--0-258087206-1097630361=:90264-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Oct 14 06:42:02 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9EDftUL003349 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA08432 for public-list; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:25:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav7.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.111]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08428 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:25:02 -0700 Received: from 63.159.128.171 by BAY4-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:24:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.128.171] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: , "David Ocame" References: <20041013011921.90624.qmail@web81704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:24:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0101_01C4B1CF.8DB78DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:24:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2004 13:25:02.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[361AB090:01C4B1F1] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C4B1CF.8DB78DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many abductees are not drunks or crazy in the conventional sense. I = believe many of them did have traumatic encounters, but with dangerous = terrestrial life forms instead with they mentally transferred to remote = unknown aliens. Larry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Ocame=20 To: public@seti1.setileague.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Yup. Very good point. I have a cutout from a magazine (don't remember which) on my computer = that reads: "4 million Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens. Most = just after happy hour." LARRY KLAES > wrote: Yes, but how many of them have actually encountered one? And for = those who claim they have, the reactions are usually one of terror. Larry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Ocame=20 To: = public@seti1.setileague.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good = number of them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests = that we are not ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, = at least first, non surprise. Is our society really ready for contact by an ETI? That is the = biggest question of all. ***********************************=20 ***********************************=20 Dave Ocame, N1YVV =20 Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory=20 FN31ng=20 -72.53856 longitude=20 41.16797 latitude=20 Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,=20 The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society ***********************************=20 ***********************************=20 Dave Ocame, N1YVV =20 Awards Chair The SETILeague, Inc www.setileague.org East Shore Park Observatory=20 FN31ng=20 -72.53856 longitude=20 41.16797 latitude=20 Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,=20 The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and, The Planetary Society ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C4B1CF.8DB78DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many abductees are not drunks or crazy in the conventional = sense.  I=20 believe many of them did have traumatic encounters, but with dangerous=20 terrestrial life forms instead with they mentally transferred to remote = unknown=20 aliens.
 
Larry
 
----- Original Message -----
From: David=20 Ocame
To: public@seti1.setileague.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 = 9:19=20 PM
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Yup. Very good point.
 
I have a cutout from a magazine (don't remember which) on my = computer=20 that reads:
 
"4 million Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens. = Most just=20 after happy hour."

LARRY KLAES <ljk4@msn.com> wrote:
Yes, but how many of them have actually encountered one?  = And for=20 those who claim they have, the reactions are usually one of = terror.
 
Larry
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: David=20 Ocame
To: public@seti1.setileague.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, = 2004 5:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: SETI public: = How to=20 respond to a SETI detection

Oddly enough, if you talk to some of the "lay" public, a good = number=20 of them think we've already been contacted (which also suggests = that we=20 are not ready). I think the general reaction will initially be, at = least=20 first, non surprise.
Is our society really ready for contact by an = ETI? =20 That is the biggest question of=20 all.


***********************************=20
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Dave Ocame, = N1YVV =20
Awards Chair
The SETILeague, Inc
www.setileague.org

East = Shore=20 Park Observatory
FN31ng
-72.53856 longitude
41.16797 = latitude=20
Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,
The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and,
The Planetary=20 Society


***********************************=20
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Dave Ocame, = N1YVV 
Awards Chair
The SETILeague, Inc
www.setileague.org

East = Shore Park=20 Observatory
FN31ng
-72.53856 longitude
41.16797 latitude=20
Member: The SETILeague, Inc. and,
The Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy (SARA) and,
The Planetary = Society
------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C4B1CF.8DB78DE0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Oct 14 07:15:07 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9EEF1UL017244 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id KAA09278 for public-list; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:04:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out014.verizon.net (out014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.46]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09274 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from setileague.org ([70.18.65.165]) by out014.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041014140433.RZBI25088.out014.verizon.net@setileague.org>; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: <416E8749.7080104@setileague.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:03:53 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LARRY KLAES CC: public@seti1.setileague.org, David Ocame Subject: Re: SETI public: How to respond to a SETI detection References: <20041013011921.90624.qmail@web81704.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [70.18.65.165] at Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:31 -0500 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk LARRY KLAES wrote: > Many abductees are not drunks or crazy in the conventional sense. I believe many of them did have traumatic encounters, but with dangerous terrestrial life forms instead with they mentally transferred to remote unknown aliens. Certainly, that is one interpretation which meshes well with the findings of the late Dr. John Mack (the psychiatrist who wrote that the experiences are indeed real to those who report them, not mere fabrications). -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Oct 17 15:26:02 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9HMQ0UL031543 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id SAA07840 for public-list; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Kurzweiltech.com (WEBSTER.FPMed.com [199.105.153.68]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07836 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from W2 [148.64.5.128] by Kurzweiltech.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id AF12B5F6014E; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:15:46 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Amara D. Angelica" To: Subject: SETI public: SETI parameter space Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:13:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk For a forthcoming book and article that I'm researching, I am looking for a summary of the SETI parameter space already searched (more detailed than Crawford' summary in SCIAM July 2000) and the data that has been stored, as specified in http://history.nasa.gov/SP-419/s3.2.htm and http://history.nasa.gov/SP-419/s2.5.htm (assuming these are still up to date). For example: Star and location Distance from Earth Inferred EIRP of source Frequency Receiver sensitivity Antenna figure of merit Receiver RF bandwidth Stored data (number of unit observations per target, number of polarizations, bin width, bits/bins, etc.) Duration of integration time Etc. I am new to this list and to the SETI field, so my apologies if this subject has already been covered on the list or is too elementary. Thanks very much, Amara D. Angelica, KF6TEJ Editor, KurzweilAI.net From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Oct 17 16:20:30 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9HNKSUL010790 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id TAA09267 for public-list; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:10:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09263 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from setileague.org ([70.18.65.165]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041017231039.YQIQ29353.out011.verizon.net@setileague.org>; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: <4172FBC4.2020408@setileague.org> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:09:56 -0400 From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Organization: The SETI League, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amara@kurzweilai.net CC: public@setileague.org Subject: Re: SETI public: SETI parameter space References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [70.18.65.165] at Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:10:37 -0500 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Amara D. Angelica wrote: > For a forthcoming book and article that I'm researching, I am looking for a > summary of the SETI parameter space already searched > For example: > > Star and location > Distance from Earth > Inferred EIRP of source > Frequency > Receiver sensitivity > Antenna figure of merit > Receiver RF bandwidth > Stored data (number of unit observations per target, number of > polarizations, bin width, bits/bins, etc.) > Duration of integration time > Etc. The above data set format does not really fit the kind of search we are doing. The SETI League is involved in an all-sky survey, whereas the above list applies primarily to targeted searches. To review the distinction, see . The first three items in the above list are specifically incompatible with all-sky surveys. Our star catalogs only go out to a few hundred parsecs. If we search a particular RA and Dec, rather than targeting a specific star, there will of course still be (unknown) stars in that direction. Distance is unknown, so we can in no way infer source EIRP. The SETI Institute in California has conducted a very thorough targeted search (Project Phoenix) over a ten year period; they may be able to provide the data you seek, but please bear in mind that this is only one part of the SETI puzzle. The other major SETI searches (SERENDIP, Southern SERENDIP, SETI@Home, Project Argus, SETI Italia, etc.) are either parasitic searches or sky surveys, so the appropriate metric for them is % of sky observed, and over what frequency range and time interval. Another problem is that "stored data" does not really apply to most searches, because they can fill up about 1 CD per second. So data is not archived, merely analyzed in real time (or post-processed) and then discarded. Asking for full data archiving is a little like asking every human being to photograph every sunset ever observed, anywhere in the world - not only is storage a problem, but no analysis technique could keep up with the data stream. Hope this is helpful. Yours for SETI success, Paul -- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D. Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555, Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771; URL http://www.setileague.org email work: n6tx@setileague.org; home: drseti@cal.berkeley.edu "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 18 00:10:22 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9I7AKUL022495 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id CAA20804 for public-list; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:59:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20800 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from djwhome.demon.co.uk ([158.152.19.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CJRTx-000GS7-EH for public@setileague.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:59:02 +0000 Received: (from david@localhost) by djwhome.demon.co.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) id i9I6wxU01020 for public@setileague.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:58:59 +0100 From: David Woolley Message-Id: <200410180658.i9I6wxU01020@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: SETI public: SETI parameter space To: public@setileague.org Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:58:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Amara D. Angelica" at Oct 17, 2004 03:13:06 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk > Star and location There are two types of search: targetted and untargetted. The main targetted microwave search is project Phoenix and I believe their target list is available on the the SETI Institute web site (www.seti.org). SERENDIP (seti.ssl.berkeley.edu), on which SETI@Home is based, and most amateur searches are examples of untargetted searches. They have no star list, range limits, etc., and are limited only by the limits on the pointing directions of their antennas. > Distance from Earth Untargetted searches search to an indefinite distance. Targetted searches are usually aimed within about 100 LY, but you really need to look at the SETI Institute web site, for their target list. > Inferred EIRP of source This obviously depends on range. It is only meaningful for beacon signals, as for leakage signals, we may not be seeing the main lobe (and for analogue TV carriers, wouldn't be seeing it). It also depends on propagation conditions, which can enhance on reduce the received signal. > Frequency You will need to trawl the project web sites, and possibly also contact them directly, as I think the Berkeley SERENDIP web site gives the original plan, rather than what was implemented. > Receiver sensitivity There is an other factor here. Because of the large number of observations made, researchers must choose an acceptable false positive rate and therefore a value for the minimum signal to noise ratio. For untargetted searches, this is generally higher than for targetted searches, as there is no opportunity for immediate followup. > Antenna figure of merit What precisely do you mean by this parameter? > Receiver RF bandwidth How does this differ from Frequency? (Targetted searches and amateur untargetted searches tend to time division multiplex a limited IF passband, but professional targetted searches tend to search a fixed, but large frequency range, but maybe using multiple IF chains. Also remember that some optical configurations have really wide bandwidths when expressed in MHz. > Stored data (number of unit observations per target, number of > polarizations, bin width, bits/bins, etc.) Add chirp rate ranges. Add pulse repetition rate ranges. > Duration of integration time Amateur searches often involve some visual integration that may be difficult to quantify. Many of the above vary from project to project. Sensitivity has also varied over time. > Etc. One key point to remember is that certain types of leaked signals, and all our deliberate signals produce non-repeatable events, that may actually have been detected, but never confirmed. > > I am new to this list and to the SETI field, so my apologies if this subject > has already been covered on the list or is too elementary. It is on topic, but you should never allow yourself to be in a position where you need this sort of disclaimer, as it means that you haven't researched the list properly and are quite willing to post off topic. From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Oct 18 04:15:47 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9IBFkUL000946 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id HAA26205 for public-list; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:02:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from Kurzweiltech.com (WEBSTER.FPMed.com [199.105.153.68]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26201 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from W2 [148.64.5.128] by Kurzweiltech.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A34E1CCB014E; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:04:46 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Amara D. Angelica" To: "Public@Setileague. Org" Subject: RE: SETI public: SETI parameter space Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:02:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200410180658.i9I6wxU01020@djwhome.demon.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Paul and David: Thanks very much. I'll follow up on your leads. From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Oct 20 07:10:28 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9KE8XUL016625 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id JAA04148 for public-list; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04144 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Tom ([162.84.176.228]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041020132946.EHSX23519.out001.verizon.net@Tom> for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:29:46 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c4b6a8$ec34f0f0$1be4fea9@Tom> From: "Thomas Ashcraft" To: Subject: SETI public: Re-Examining Common Jovian Radio Emissions Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:30:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4B687.64C181E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [162.84.176.228] at Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:29:45 -0500 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4B687.64C181E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Regarding : Jovian SETI October 20, 2004 I posted a webpage that I am aiming at SETI and Cellular Automata researchers and anyone else in hope that they might take a look at = jovian radio emissions with their own special insights and instruments. My question is whether my recordings and spectrographs are showing processing artifacts...like digitization......or possibly some other = embedded phenomena?=20 ( Like heretofore ignored "signal." )=20 See = http://www.heliotown.com/Jupiter_SETI_Cellular_Automata_Ashcraft.html =20 This particular page has one sound file in full resolution . wav format = and I can email other .wav files upon request. There are other Jupiter related pages on the website with .mp3 files = which may not be research grade specimens. Any comments, criticisms and references to other jovian SETI work are = welcome. Thomas Ashcraft ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4B687.64C181E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Regarding :  Jovian = SETI
 
 
October 20, 2004
 
 
I posted a webpage that I am = aiming at=20 SETI and Cellular Automata
researchers and anyone else in hope that = they=20 might take a look at jovian radio
emissions with their own special = insights=20 and instruments.
 
My question is whether my = recordings and=20 spectrographs are showing
processing artifacts...like = digitization......or=20 possibly some other embedded phenomena? 
( Like heretofore ignored = "signal."=20 ) 
 

See        http://www.heliotown.com/Jupiter_SETI_Cellular_Automata_Ashcraft.ht= ml 
 
This particular page has one sound file in full = resolution .=20 wav format and I can email other .wav files upon = request.
 
There are other Jupiter related pages on the website = with .mp3=20 files which may not be research grade specimens.
 
 
Any comments, criticisms and references to = other jovian=20 SETI work are welcome.
 
 
Thomas = Ashcraft
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4B687.64C181E0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Oct 21 13:29:42 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9LKTfUL032293 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id QAA20475 for public-list; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:07:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav10.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.114]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20471; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:07:03 -0700 Received: from 63.159.121.96 by BAY4-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:06:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.121.96] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Life, the Universe and Everything: How Astronomy Addresses the Big Questions Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:06:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4B787.E20D58D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:06:11 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 20:07:03.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[88614A90:01C4B7A9] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4B787.E20D58D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Science/Astronomy: * Life, the Universe and Everything: How Astronomy Addresses the Big = Questions http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_thursday_041021.html What is the point of our existence, where 'our' refers not just to you, = your kith, and your kin, but to Earth, the stars, and the entire ball of = cosmic wax? * Einstein's Warped View of Space Confirmed http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/warp_space_041020.html Earth's spin warps space around the planet, according to a new study = that confirms a key prediction of Einstein's general theory of = relativity. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4B787.E20D58D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Science/Astronomy:

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* Einstein's Warped View of Space Confirmed
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Eart= h's=20 spin warps space around the planet, according to a new study that = confirms a key=20 prediction of Einstein's general theory of=20 relativity.

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4B787.E20D58D0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Sat Oct 30 09:27:23 2004 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9UGRMUL016237 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) id MAA15118 for public-list; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav8.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.170.112]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419+JAGae58098)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15114 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:16:02 -0700 Received: from 63.159.152.89 by BAY4-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:15:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.159.152.89] X-Originating-Email: [ljk4@msn.com] X-Sender: ljk4@msn.com From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: 325 million planets with the ruins of civilizations in our galaxy alone? Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:15:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C4BE7A.1D97ED40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 16:16:02.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[C055BFF0:01C4BE9B] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C4BE7A.1D97ED40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The November/December, 2004 issue of Archaeology magazine has a very = interesting article on space archaeology, which is online here: http://www.archaeology.org/0411/etc/space.html Below is a quote from part of the article: If one accepts the idea of archaeological research on sites from the = history of human exploration in space, it is hardly a giant leap to = consider the potential for archaeological fieldwork on the evidence of = extraterrestrial civilizations. The late biochemist and science fiction = writer Isaac Asimov once speculated that the galaxy may contain 325 = million planets with traces of civilizations in ruins. Perhaps our = astronomers and their SETI stations are hearing only static through = their radio telescopes because they are, in effect, listening for a = message from the extraterrestrial equivalent of the ancient Maya or the = Sumerians--dead civilizations that can speak to us now only through = archaeology. Constructing a catalog of visual signatures of advanced = civilizations will someday be within the province of aerospace = archaeology. And with a potential cultural resource database of 325 = million planets with civilizations in ruins, there sure is a lot of = fieldwork to do "out there." Anyone know where Asimov came up with that number and how and where he = published it? Thanks. Larry ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C4BE7A.1D97ED40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The November/December, 2004 issue of Archaeology magazine has a = very=20 interesting article
on space archaeology, which is online here:
 
 
Below is a quote from part of the article:

If one accepts the idea of archaeological research on sites from the = history=20 of human exploration in space, it is hardly a giant leap to consider the = potential for archaeological fieldwork on the evidence of = extraterrestrial=20 civilizations. The late biochemist and science fiction writer Isaac = Asimov once=20 speculated that the galaxy may contain 325 million planets with traces = of=20 civilizations in ruins. Perhaps our astronomers and their SETI stations = are=20 hearing only static through their radio telescopes because they are, in = effect,=20 listening for a message from the extraterrestrial equivalent of the = ancient Maya=20 or the Sumerians--dead civilizations that can speak to us now only = through=20 archaeology. Constructing a catalog of visual signatures of advanced=20 civilizations will someday be within the province of aerospace = archaeology. And=20 with a potential cultural resource database of 325 million planets with=20 civilizations in ruins, there sure is a lot of fieldwork to do "out = there."

Anyone know where Asimov came up with that number and how and where = he=20 published it?  Thanks.

Larry

 

 

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