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SETIzens,
	The second SETI League Technical Symposium drew a small but enthusiastic
crowd (34 attendees, up slightly from last year).  Photos appear at
<http://www.setileague.org/photos/meet02px.htm>.  
	The quality of technical presentations exceeded our expectations.  (See
for yourself by ordering a copy of the Proceedings of SETICon03, via
<http://www.setileague.org/admin/applicat.htm#mdse>).  Social opportunities
were abundant, ranging from nightly hospitality suites to Saturday night's
Awards Banquet, and including refreshment breaks, a free VolCor breakfast
to honor our volunteers, various committee meetings, and a cold-cut
luncheon for participants after Sunday's membership and board meetings.
	If you didn't already meet our 2002 Bruno and Greene Award winners, see
the press release now posted at
<http://www.setileague.org/press/pres0205.htm>.
	Next year's Symposium, which celebrates ten years of privatized SETI, is
being expanded once again, tentatively scheduled to begin at 9 AM on
Friday, 25 April 2003, and running through 1 PM on Sunday the 27th.  We
hope to include a hands-on hardware workshop for those wanting to gain
experience with microstrip construction of SETI station components. 
	Thanks to the kind assistance of member Prof. Allen Katz, we will once
again be using the fine facilities of the College of New Jersey.  Their
food service at our last two Awards Banquets was exemplary.
	We have begun early preparations for SETICon03 (and, in fact, you will see
a SETICon03 banner already in place on our main web page).  A Call for
Papers appears at <http://www.setileague.org/seticon/papers03.htm>, with
abstracts due by 31 January 2003.  I ask you all to start thinking about
what SETI experiences you may wish to document and share.
	My thanks to the dozen presenters and various other participants who have
made this year's Symposium a great success.  Next year will be even better.
	Minutes of the Membership Meeting are posted to the website at
<http://www.setileague.org/admin/minute02.htm>.
	See you all next year!
	Yours for SETICon Success,
		Paul
	
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ZCZC SWXADVOUT
TTAA00 KWNP 071750

Official Space Weather Advisory issued by NOAA Space Environment Center
Boulder, Colorado, USA

SPACE WEATHER ADVISORY OUTLOOK #02- 19
2002 May 07 at 11:41 a.m. MDT (2002 May 07 1741 UTC)

**** SPACE WEATHER OUTLOOK ****

Summary For April 29-May 5
Space weather reached minor levels on April 30 due to a category R1
(minor) radio blackout. The minor radio blackout was associated with a
solar flare from beyond the Sun=12s eastern limb. There were no space
weather storms detected during the rest of the period. For a list of
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Outlook For May 8-14
Space weather is expected to be at minor levels. Isolated category R1
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ORBITAL TELESCOPE PLATFORM PROPOSED FOR SETI, ASTEROID WATCH DUTIES

>From Space.com, 8 May 2002

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/submillimetron_020508-=
1.html

By Leonard David
Senior Space Writer

The International Space Station may be port of call for a free-flying
telescope capable of not only probing the depths of the Universe, but als=
o
listening for the chatter of other civilizations and spotting
Earth-threatening asteroids.

The Submillimetron Project is underway by a team of researchers from Swed=
en,
Finland and Russia. This new telescope would be home-based at the Russian
segment of the International Space Station (ISS). When periodically docke=
d
to the orbiting outpost, this astronomical tool can be serviced by a crew
and then dispatched to continue its research work.

Designed to operate at super-cold temperatures, the telescope permits
astronomical peeks at the Cosmos in unprecedented wavelengths. The primar=
y
goal is to conduct a submillimeter wave, full sky survey.

Objects of interest by the Submillimetron telescope include the "cold"
components of matter left over from the Big Bang. Furthermore, the
instrument can reveal remote galaxies now unseen by current technology. A
significant majority of detected objects would be luminous, high redshift
galaxies. These objects emit most of their light in the submillimeter ran=
ge.

High sensitivity of the telescope to cold bodies permits it to detect
asteroids at a distance far beyond Jupiter's orbit. So along with the
Submillimetron Project's astrophysics and cosmology agenda, suggests the
scientific team promoting the telescope, the space-based eye can provide
early warning to Earth of menacing asteroids.

Voice of the sky

The Submillimetron operates at a terahertz waveband, at a boundary betwee=
n
infrared rays and microwave frequency, explained Vladimir Gromov, an
astronomer at the Astro Space Center in Moscow, one of the organizations
working on the concept.

Playing the role of a supersensitive "ear", the telescope also makes use =
of
supersensitive arrays and radio electronics. These can hear the "voice of
the sky at a new bandwidth", and are capable of eavesdropping on an
extraterrestrial civilization.

"With the help of this device [the Submillimetron], the astronomers and
physicists will be able to answer the questions they are not even thinkin=
g
about yet. Probably, they will hear the voice of an extraterrestrial
civilization. Or perhaps they will discover something absolutely new, for
instance, a type of substance previously unknown," explains a release on =
the
project.

Gromov told SPACE.com that the Submillimetron is specially intended to lo=
ok
for objects billions of light years distant from Earth. "The goal is to
detect more than a million such objects," he said.

No space, ground-based or balloon instruments planned for this decade can
fulfill the task feasible with the Submillimetron, claim supporters of th=
e
project.

Using the telescope to look for other star folk is a task readily handled=
 by
the Submillimetron.

Gromov said that the telescope could detect so-called Dyson Spheres, a
manifestation of a developed civilization. "No real need for some
civilization to send informative signals through space. But any civilizat=
ion
must consume energy and, as a result, dissipates heat, and therefore
generates infrared radiation," he said.

Nobody knows the spectrum of Dyson Sphere radiation, Gromov said. "Probab=
ly
it's absolutely different from that of other astronomical objects. We pla=
n
to analyze detected sources of this subject," he added.

Sight and sound chores

"It has been approved for flight to the Russian segment," Gromov said, bu=
t
gaining the financial wherewithal to keep scientific instruments for the
telescope moving forward is an issue.

The Russian Academy of Sciences supports bringing the project to fruition=
. A
feasibility study of the Submillimetron was undertaken by the S.P. Korole=
v
Rocket Space Corporation Energia, and approved by the Russian Space Agenc=
y
for flight to the ISS after the 2004-2005 time period.

A preliminary estimate of building the scientific space platform (SSP),
replete with the Submillimetron, is less than $150 million.

The free-flying SSP is based on a modified Russian Progress cargo craft.

First, the SSP-carried Submillimetron would be lofted and docked to the
International Space Station. An ISS crew could final check the equipment
prior to release.

Set loose, the platform-carried telescope would be maneuvered far away fr=
om
the space station, perhaps to a higher orbit. Once the telescope is in
position, super-cold liquid helium is used to chill sky-scanning equipmen=
t,
thereby increasing the sensitivity of the Submillimetron's telescopic gea=
r.

At mission end -- which could be years in the making -- the platform is
brought back to the space station. After redocking to the ISS, the scope'=
s
instruments undergo a Hubble Space Telescope-like maintenance job. Thus,
replacement of old equipment with new technology is made feasible. There =
is
significant volume onboard the SSP for it to carry a bevy of other studie=
s.
Another goal of the project is to provide a test bed for a variety of
technological experiments, to help seed the development of follow-on
projects.

Once checked-out and its cryogen topped off, the Submillimetron is
re-launched from the ISS - picking-up where its sight and sound chores la=
st
left off.

Valery Altunin, a researcher at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in
Pasadena, California, said the proposed telescope offers good science, as
well as helping in other, "political" issues. "There are not too many
astronomy experiments yet proposed to be deployed on the ISS," he said.

The projected sensitivity of the space telescope assumes the use of new t=
ype
of sensors. "Although a lot of work was done, this new technology is not
mature yet," Altunin said. Moving the Submillimetron project ahead needs
strong partnerships with scientists from multiple nations, including the
United States.

"The overall assessment is that the project may succeed...but it is a lon=
g
road to success," Altunin said.

Copyright 2002, Space.com


(5) HOW NOT TO WORRY ABOUT EXPLODING STARS & MASS EXTINCTIONS

>From http://www.hotbitscafe.com/go/maitreya/hp-type.html

Type I, II, III Civilizations
An excerpt from the book of Michio Kaku: Visions : How Science Will
Revolutionize the 21st Century (1998)

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OPE PLATFORM PROPOSED FOR SETI, ASTEROID WATCH DUTIES<BR><BR>From Space.c=
om, 8 May 2002</DIV> <DIV><BR><A href=3D"http://www.space.com/businesstec=
hnology/technology/submillimetron_020508-1.html">http://www.space.com/bus=
inesstechnology/technology/submillimetron_020508-1.html</A><BR><BR>By Leo=
nard David<BR>Senior Space Writer<BR><BR>The International Space Station =
may be port of call for a free-flying<BR>telescope capable of not only pr=
obing the depths of the Universe, but also<BR>listening for the chatter o=
f other civilizations and spotting<BR>Earth-threatening asteroids.<BR><BR=
>The Submillimetron Project is underway by a team of researchers from Swe=
den,<BR>Finland and Russia. This new telescope would be home-based at the=
 Russian<BR>segment of the International Space Station (ISS). When period=
ically docked<BR>to the orbiting outpost, this astronomical tool can be s=
erviced by a crew<BR>and then dispatched to continue its research work.<B=
R><BR>Designed to operate at super-cold temperatures, the telescope permi=
ts<BR>astronomical peeks at the Cosmos in unprecedented wavelengths. The =
primary<BR>goal is to conduct a submillimeter wave, full sky survey.<BR><=
BR>Objects of interest by the Submillimetron telescope include the "cold"=
<BR>components of matter left over from the Big Bang. Furthermore, the<BR=
>instrument can reveal remote galaxies now unseen by current technology. =
A<BR>significant majority of detected objects would be luminous, high red=
shift<BR>galaxies. These objects emit most of their light in the submilli=
meter range.<BR><BR>High sensitivity of the telescope to cold bodies perm=
its it to detect<BR>asteroids at a distance far beyond Jupiter's orbit. S=
o along with the<BR>Submillimetron Project's astrophysics and cosmology a=
genda, suggests the<BR>scientific team promoting the telescope, the space=
-based eye can provide<BR>early warning to Earth of menacing asteroids.<B=
R><BR>Voice of the sky<BR><BR>The Submillimetron operates at a terahertz =
waveband, at a boundary between<BR>infrared rays and microwave frequency,=
 explained Vladimir Gromov, an<BR>astronomer at the Astro Space Center in=
 Moscow, one of the organizations<BR>working on the concept.<BR><BR>Playi=
ng the role of a supersensitive "ear", the telescope also makes use of<BR=
>supersensitive arrays and radio electronics. These can hear the "voice o=
f<BR>the sky at a new bandwidth", and are capable of eavesdropping on an<=
BR>extraterrestrial civilization.<BR><BR>"With the help of this device [t=
he Submillimetron], the astronomers and<BR>physicists will be able to ans=
wer the questions they are not even thinking<BR>about yet. Probably, they=
 will hear the voice of an extraterrestrial<BR>civilization. Or perhaps t=
hey will discover something absolutely new, for<BR>instance, a type of su=
bstance previously unknown," explains a release on the<BR>project.<BR><BR=
>Gromov told SPACE.com that the Submillimetron is specially intended to l=
ook<BR>for objects billions of light years distant from Earth. "The goal =
is to<BR>detect more than a million such objects," he said.<BR><BR>No spa=
ce, ground-based or balloon instruments planned for this decade can<BR>fu=
lfill the task feasible with the Submillimetron, claim supporters of the<=
BR>project.<BR><BR>Using the telescope to look for other star folk is a t=
ask readily handled by<BR>the Submillimetron.<BR><BR>Gromov said that the=
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developed civilization. "No real need for some<BR>civilization to send in=
formative signals through space. But any civilization<BR>must consume ene=
rgy and, as a result, dissipates heat, and therefore<BR>generates infrare=
d radiation," he said.<BR><BR>Nobody knows the spectrum of Dyson Sphere r=
adiation, Gromov said. "Probably<BR>it's absolutely different from that o=
f other astronomical objects. We plan<BR>to analyze detected sources of t=
his subject," he added.<BR><BR>Sight and sound chores<BR><BR>"It has been=
 approved for flight to the Russian segment," Gromov said, but<BR>gaining=
 the financial wherewithal to keep scientific instruments for the<BR>tele=
scope moving forward is an issue.<BR><BR>The Russian Academy of Sciences =
supports bringing the project to fruition. A<BR>feasibility study of the =
Submillimetron was undertaken by the S.P. Korolev<BR>Rocket Space Corpora=
tion Energia, and approved by the Russian Space Agency<BR>for flight to t=
he ISS after the 2004-2005 time period.<BR><BR>A preliminary estimate of =
building the scientific space platform (SSP),<BR>replete with the Submill=
imetron, is less than $150 million.<BR><BR>The free-flying SSP is based o=
n a modified Russian Progress cargo craft.<BR><BR>First, the SSP-carried =
Submillimetron would be lofted and docked to the<BR>International Space S=
tation. An ISS crew could final check the equipment<BR>prior to release.<=
BR><BR>Set loose, the platform-carried telescope would be maneuvered far =
away from<BR>the space station, perhaps to a higher orbit. Once the teles=
cope is in<BR>position, super-cold liquid helium is used to chill sky-sca=
nning equipment,<BR>thereby increasing the sensitivity of the Submillimet=
ron's telescopic gear.<BR><BR>At mission end -- which could be years in t=
he making -- the platform is<BR>brought back to the space station. After =
redocking to the ISS, the scope's<BR>instruments undergo a Hubble Space T=
elescope-like maintenance job. Thus,<BR>replacement of old equipment with=
 new technology is made feasible. There is<BR>significant volume onboard =
the SSP for it to carry a bevy of other studies.<BR>Another goal of the p=
roject is to provide a test bed for a variety of<BR>technological experim=
ents, to help seed the development of follow-on<BR>projects.<BR><BR>Once =
checked-out and its cryogen topped off, the Submillimetron is<BR>re-launc=
hed from the ISS - picking-up where its sight and sound chores last<BR>le=
ft off.<BR><BR>Valery Altunin, a researcher at the Jet Propulsion Laborat=
ory (JPL) in<BR>Pasadena, California, said the proposed telescope offers =
good science, as<BR>well as helping in other, "political" issues. "There =
are not too many<BR>astronomy experiments yet proposed to be deployed on =
the ISS," he said.<BR><BR>The projected sensitivity of the space telescop=
e assumes the use of new type<BR>of sensors. "Although a lot of work was =
done, this new technology is not<BR>mature yet," Altunin said. Moving the=
 Submillimetron project ahead needs<BR>strong partnerships with scientist=
s from multiple nations, including the<BR>United States.<BR><BR>"The over=
all assessment is that the project may succeed...but it is a long<BR>road=
 to success," Altunin said.<BR><BR>Copyright 2002, Space.com<BR></DIV> <D=
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isions : How Science Will<BR>Revolutionize the 21st Century (1998)<BR><BR=
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HOW NOT TO WORRY ABOUT EXPLODING STARS & MASS EXTINCTIONS

>From http://www.hotbitscafe.com/go/maitreya/hp-type.html

Type I, II, III Civilizations
An excerpt from the book of Michio Kaku: Visions : How Science Will
Revolutionize the 21st Century (1998)

Futurology, or the prediction of the future from reasonable scientific
judgments, is a risky science. Some would not even call it a science at a=
ll,
but something that more resembles hocus pocus or witchcraft. Futurology h=
as
deservedly earned this unsavory reputation because every scientific" poll
conducted by futurologists about the next decade has proved to be wildly =
off
the mark. What makes futurology such a primitive science is that our brai=
ns
think linearly, while knowledge progresses exponentially. For example, po=
lls
of futurologists have shown that they take known technology and simply
double or triple it to predict the future. Polls taken in the 1920s showe=
d
that futurologists predicted that we would have, within a few decades, hu=
ge
fleets of blimps taking passengers across the Atlantic.

But science also develops in unexpected ways. In the short run, when
extrapolating within a few years, it is a safe bet that science will
progress through steady, quantitative improvements on existing technology=
.
However, when extrapolating over a few decades, we find that qualitative
breakthroughs in new areas become the dominant factor, where new industri=
es
open up in unexpected places.

Perhaps the most famous example of futurology gone wrong is the predictio=
ns
made by John von Neumann, the father of the modern electronic computer an=
d
one of the great mathematicians of the century. After the war, he made tw=
o
predictions: first, that in the future computers would become so monstrou=
s
and costly that only large governments would be able to afford them, and
second, that computers would be able to predict the weather accurately.

In reality, the growth of computers went in precisely the opposite
direction: We are flooded with inexpensive, miniature computers that can =
fit
in the palm of our hands. Computer chips have become so cheap and plentif=
ul
that they are an integral part of some modern appliances. Already, we hav=
e
the "smart" typewriter (the word processor), and eventually we will have =
the
"smart" vacuum cleaner, the "smart" kitchen, the "smart" television, and =
the
like. Also, computers, no matter how powerful, have failed to predict the
weather. Although the classical motion of individual molecules can, in
principle, be predicted, the weather is so complex that even someone
sneezing can create distortions that will ripple and be magnified across
thousands of miles, eventually, perhaps, unleashing a hurricane.

With all these important caveats, let us determine when a civilization
(either our own or one in outer space) may attain the ability to master t=
he
tenth dimension. Astronomer Nikolai Kardashev of the former Soviet Union
once categorized future civilizations in the following way. A Type I
civilization is one that controls the energy resources of an entire plane=
t.
This civilization can control the weather, prevent earthquakes, mine deep=
 in
the earth's crust, and harvest the oceans. This civilization has already
completed the exploration of its solar system. A Type 11 civilization is =
one
that controls the power of the sun itself. This does not mean passively
harnessing solar energy; this civilization mines the sun. The energy need=
s
of this civilization are so large directly consumes the power of the sun =
to
drive its machines. The civilization will begin the colonization of local
star systems.

A Type III civilization is one that controls the power of an entire galax=
y.
For a power source, it harnesses the power of billions of star systems. I=
t
has probably mastered Einstein's equations and can manipulate space-time =
at
will. The basis of this classification is rather simple: Each level is
catergorized on the basis of the power source that energizes the
civilization. Type I civilizations use the power of an entire planet. Typ=
e
II civilizations use the power of an entire star. Type III civilizations =
use
the power of an entire galaxy. This classification ignores any prediction=
s
concerning the detailed nature of future civilizations (which are bound t=
o
be wrong) and instead focuses on aspects that can be reasonably understoo=
d
by the laws of physics, such as energy supply.

Our civilization, by contrast, can be categorized as a Type 0 civilizatio=
n,
one that is just beginning to tap planetary resources, but does not have =
the
technology and resources to control them. A Type 0 civilization like ours
derives its energy from fossil fuels like oil and coal and, in much of th=
e
Third World, from raw human labor. Our largest computers cannot even pred=
ict
the weather, let alone control it. Viewed from this larger perspective, w=
e
as a civilization are like a newborn infant.

Although one might guess that the slow march from a Type 0 civilization t=
o a
Type III civilization might take millions of years, the extraordinary fac=
t
about this classification scheme is that this climb is an exponential one
and hence proceeds much faster than anything we can readily conceive.

With all these qualifications, we can still make educated guesses about w=
hen
our civilization will reach these milestones. Given the rate at which our
civilization is growing, we might expect to reach Type I status within a =
few
centuries.

For example, the largest energy source available to our Type 0 civilizati=
on
is the hydrogen bomb. Our technology is so primitive that we can unleash =
the
power of hydrogen fusion only by detonating a bomb, rather than controlli=
ng
it in a power generator. However, a simple hurricane generates the power =
of
hundreds of hydrogen bombs. Thus weather control, which is one feature of
Type I civilizations, is at least a century away from today's technology.

Similarly, a Type I civilization has already colonized most of its solar
system. By contrast, milestones in today's development of space travel ar=
e
painfully measured on the scale of decades, and therefore qualitative lea=
ps
such as space colonization must be measured in centuries. For example, th=
e
earliest date for NASA's manned landing on the planet Mars is 2020.
Therefore, the colonization of Mars may take place 40 to 50 years after
that, and the colonization of the solar system within a century.

By contrast, the transition from a Type I to a Type II civilization may t=
ake
only 1,000 years. Given the exponential growth of civilization, we may
expect that within 1,000 years the energy needs of a civilization will
become so large that it must begin to mine the sun to energize its machin=
es.


A typical example of a Type II civilization is the Federation of Planets =
in
the "Star Trek" series. This civilization has just begun to master the
gravitational force-that is, the art of warping space-time via holes-and
hence, for the first time, has the capability of reaching nearby stars. I=
t
has evaded the limit placed by the speed of light by mastering Einstein's
theory of general relativity. Small colonies have been established on som=
e
of these systems, which the starship Enterprise is sworn to protect. The
civilization's starships are powered by the collision of matter and
antimatter. The ability to create large concentrations of antimatter
suitable for space travel places that civilization many centuries to a
millennium away from ours.

Advancing to a Type III civilization may take several thousand years ore.
This is, in fact, the time scale predicted by Isaac Asimov in his c
Foundation Series, which describes the rise, fall, and re-emergence of a
galactic civilization. The time scale involved in each of these transitio=
ns
involves thousands of years. This civilization has harnessed the energy
source contained within the galaxy itself. To it, warp drive, ad of being=
 an
exotic form of travel to the nearby stars, is the standard means of trade
and commerce between sectors of the galaxy. Thus although it took 2 milli=
on
years for our species to leave the safety of the forests and build a mode=
m
civilization, it may take only thousands of to leave the safety of our so=
lar
system and build a galactic civilization.

One option open to a Type III civilization is harnessing the power of
supernovae or black holes. Its starships may even be able to probe the
galactic nucleus, which is perhaps the most mysterious of all energy
sources. Astrophysicists have theorized that because of the enormous size=
 of
the galactic nucleus, the center of our galaxy may contain millions of bl=
ack
holes. If true, this would provide virtually unlimited amounts of energy.

At this point, manipulating energies a million billion times larger than
present-day energies should be possible. Thus for a Type III civilization=
,
with the energy output of uncountable star systems and perhaps the galact=
ic
nucleus at its disposal, the mastery of the tenth dimension' becomes a re=
al
possibility.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
(7) AND FINALLY: FORGET NEO SEARCHES AS "INVISIBLE ASTEROIDS MAY POSE THR=
EAT
TO EARTH"

>From Space Daily, 6 May 2002
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mirror-matter-02a.html

New Theory Asserts The Existence Of Mirror Matter

Melbourne - May 06, 2002

Invisible asteroids and other cosmic bodies made of a new form of matter =
may
pose a threat to Earth, asserts Australian Physicist Dr. Robert Foot.

In a revolutionary new theory, Dr. Robert Foot of the University of
Melbourne argues that meteorites composed of `mirror matter' -- a candida=
te
for the invisible dark matter that astronomers say is necessary to explai=
n
their observations -- could impact with the Earth without leaving any
ordinary fragments.

Indeed, the theory seems to provide a simple explanation for the puzzling
Tunguska event - the blast which destroyed a huge area of Siberian forest=
 in
1908.

While scientists have attributed this explosion to an ordinary meteorite,=
 no
traces of such an object have ever been found. Moreover, there are freque=
nt
smaller such events, occurring on a yearly basis, which are even more
puzzling.

The idea of mirror matter comes from the established fact that the
interactions of the known elementary particles, such as the electrons,
protons and neutrinos, violate mirror symmetry -- they have left-handed
interactions.

This experimental fact motivates the idea that a set of `mirror particles=
'
exist. The left-handedness of the ordinary particles can then be balanced=
 by
the right-handedness of the mirror particles.

In this way mirror reflection symmetry can exist but requires something
profoundly new -- a new form of matter called `mirror matter'.

In a recently published book -- Shadowlands, quest for mirror matter in t=
he
Universe -- the scientific case for the existence of mirror matter is giv=
en.

At the very least, there is a range of fascinating evidence for its
existence including: astronomical observations suggesting that most of ou=
r
galaxy is made from a new form of matter - dark matter, puzzling Jupiter
sized planets only a few million miles from their host star, and the
mysterious slowing down of spacecraft in our solar system. Remarkably, it=
 is
also possible that Pluto -- the most distant planet in our solar system -=
-
might even be a mirror world, which can explain various anomalous feature=
s
of its orbit.

Perhaps, the most important consequence of all this -- if true -- is the
possibility of actually extracting the mirror matter from the Tunguska
impact site and other such sites around the world.

The mirror matter idea has not attracted a huge following among physicist=
s.
In a recent UPI article, Howard Georgi of Harvard University says: "Foot'=
s
ideas have not attracted a huge following in the community that cares abo=
ut
these things, perhaps because the problems they solve, while interesting,
are not the most critical puzzles that we are wrestling with."

Nevertheless, mirror matter, if it exists, would be a completely new type=
 of
material with a potentially huge commercial value.

Its scientific value would be of no less importance

Copyright 2002, Space Daily

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>HOW NOT TO WOR=
RY ABOUT EXPLODING STARS &amp; MASS EXTINCTIONS<BR><BR>From http://www.ho=
tbitscafe.com/go/maitreya/hp-type.html<BR><BR>Type I, II, III Civilizatio=
ns<BR>An excerpt from the book of Michio Kaku: Visions : How Science Will=
<BR>Revolutionize the 21st Century (1998)<BR><BR>Futurology, or the predi=
ction of the future from reasonable scientific<BR>judgments, is a risky s=
cience. Some would not even call it a science at all,<BR>but something th=
at more resembles hocus pocus or witchcraft. Futurology has<BR>deservedly=
 earned this unsavory reputation because every scientific" poll<BR>conduc=
ted by futurologists about the next decade has proved to be wildly off<BR=
>the mark. What makes futurology such a primitive science is that our bra=
ins<BR>think linearly, while knowledge progresses exponentially. For exam=
ple, polls<BR>of futurologists have shown that they take known technology=
 and simply<BR>double or triple it to predict the future. Polls taken in =
the 1920s showed<BR>that futurologists predicted that we would have, with=
in a few decades, huge<BR>fleets of blimps taking passengers across the A=
tlantic.<BR><BR>But science also develops in unexpected ways. In the shor=
t run, when<BR>extrapolating within a few years, it is a safe bet that sc=
ience will<BR>progress through steady, quantitative improvements on exist=
ing technology.<BR>However, when extrapolating over a few decades, we fin=
d that qualitative<BR>breakthroughs in new areas become the dominant fact=
or, where new industries<BR>open up in unexpected places.<BR><BR>Perhaps =
the most famous example of futurology gone wrong is the predictions<BR>ma=
de by John von Neumann, the father of the modern electronic computer and<=
BR>one of the great mathematicians of the century. After the war, he made=
 two<BR>predictions: first, that in the future computers would become so =
monstrous<BR>and costly that only large governments would be able to affo=
rd them, and<BR>second, that computers would be able to predict the weath=
er accurately.<BR><BR>In reality, the growth of computers went in precise=
ly the opposite<BR>direction: We are flooded with inexpensive, miniature =
computers that can fit<BR>in the palm of our hands. Computer chips have b=
ecome so cheap and plentiful<BR>that they are an integral part of some mo=
dern appliances. Already, we have<BR>the "smart" typewriter (the word pro=
cessor), and eventually we will have the<BR>"smart" vacuum cleaner, the "=
smart" kitchen, the "smart" television, and the<BR>like. Also, computers,=
 no matter how powerful, have failed to predict the<BR>weather. Although =
the classical motion of individual molecules can, in<BR>principle, be pre=
dicted, the weather is so complex that even someone<BR>sneezing can creat=
e distortions that will ripple and be magnified across<BR>thousands of mi=
les, eventually, perhaps, unleashing a hurricane.<BR><BR>With all these i=
mportant caveats, let us determine when a civilization<BR>(either our own=
 or one in outer space) may attain the ability to master the<BR>tenth dim=
ension. Astronomer Nikolai Kardashev of the former Soviet Union<BR>once c=
ategorized future civilizations in the following way. A Type I<BR>civiliz=
ation is one that controls the energy resources of an entire planet.<BR>T=
his civilization can control the weather, prevent earthquakes, mine deep =
in<BR>the earth's crust, and harvest the oceans. This civilization has al=
ready<BR>completed the exploration of its solar system. A Type 11 civiliz=
ation is one<BR>that controls the power of the sun itself. This does not =
mean passively<BR>harnessing solar energy; this civilization mines the su=
n. The energy needs<BR>of this civilization are so large directly consume=
s the power of the sun to<BR>drive its machines. The civilization will be=
gin the colonization of local<BR>star systems.<BR><BR>A Type III civiliza=
tion is one that controls the power of an entire galaxy.<BR>For a power s=
ource, it harnesses the power of billions of star systems. It<BR>has prob=
ably mastered Einstein's equations and can manipulate space-time at<BR>wi=
ll. The basis of this classification is rather simple: Each level is<BR>c=
atergorized on the basis of the power source that energizes the<BR>civili=
zation. Type I civilizations use the power of an entire planet. Type<BR>I=
I civilizations use the power of an entire star. Type III civilizations u=
se<BR>the power of an entire galaxy. This classification ignores any pred=
ictions<BR>concerning the detailed nature of future civilizations (which =
are bound to<BR>be wrong) and instead focuses on aspects that can be reas=
onably understood<BR>by the laws of physics, such as energy supply.<BR><B=
R>Our civilization, by contrast, can be categorized as a Type 0 civilizat=
ion,<BR>one that is just beginning to tap planetary resources, but does n=
ot have the<BR>technology and resources to control them. A Type 0 civiliz=
ation like ours<BR>derives its energy from fossil fuels like oil and coal=
 and, in much of the<BR>Third World, from raw human labor. Our largest co=
mputers cannot even predict<BR>the weather, let alone control it. Viewed =
from this larger perspective, we<BR>as a civilization are like a newborn =
infant.<BR><BR>Although one might guess that the slow march from a Type 0=
 civilization to a<BR>Type III civilization might take millions of years,=
 the extraordinary fact<BR>about this classification scheme is that this =
climb is an exponential one<BR>and hence proceeds much faster than anythi=
ng we can readily conceive.<BR><BR>With all these qualifications, we can =
still make educated guesses about when<BR>our civilization will reach the=
se milestones. Given the rate at which our<BR>civilization is growing, we=
 might expect to reach Type I status within a few<BR>centuries.<BR><BR>Fo=
r example, the largest energy source available to our Type 0 civilization=
<BR>is the hydrogen bomb. Our technology is so primitive that we can unle=
ash the<BR>power of hydrogen fusion only by detonating a bomb, rather tha=
n controlling<BR>it in a power generator. However, a simple hurricane gen=
erates the power of<BR>hundreds of hydrogen bombs. Thus weather control, =
which is one feature of<BR>Type I civilizations, is at least a century aw=
ay from today's technology.<BR><BR>Similarly, a Type I civilization has a=
lready colonized most of its solar<BR>system. By contrast, milestones in =
today's development of space travel are<BR>painfully measured on the scal=
e of decades, and therefore qualitative leaps<BR>such as space colonizati=
on must be measured in centuries. For example, the<BR>earliest date for N=
ASA's manned landing on the planet Mars is 2020.<BR>Therefore, the coloni=
zation of Mars may take place 40 to 50 years after<BR>that, and the colon=
ization of the solar system within a century.<BR><BR>By contrast, the tra=
nsition from a Type I to a Type II civilization may take<BR>only 1,000 ye=
ars. Given the exponential growth of civilization, we may<BR>expect that =
within 1,000 years the energy needs of a civilization will<BR>become so l=
arge that it must begin to mine the sun to energize its machines.<BR><BR>=
<BR>A typical example of a Type II civilization is the Federation of Plan=
ets in<BR>the "Star Trek" series. This civilization has just begun to mas=
ter the<BR>gravitational force-that is, the art of warping space-time via=
 holes-and<BR>hence, for the first time, has the capability of reaching n=
earby stars. It<BR>has evaded the limit placed by the speed of light by m=
astering Einstein's<BR>theory of general relativity. Small colonies have =
been established on some<BR>of these systems, which the starship Enterpri=
se is sworn to protect. The<BR>civilization's starships are powered by th=
e collision of matter and<BR>antimatter. The ability to create large conc=
entrations of antimatter<BR>suitable for space travel places that civiliz=
ation many centuries to a<BR>millennium away from ours.<BR><BR>Advancing =
to a Type III civilization may take several thousand years ore.<BR>This i=
s, in fact, the time scale predicted by Isaac Asimov in his c<BR>Foundati=
on Series, which describes the rise, fall, and re-emergence of a<BR>galac=
tic civilization. The time scale involved in each of these transitions<BR=
>involves thousands of years. This civilization has harnessed the energy<=
BR>source contained within the galaxy itself. To it, warp drive, ad of be=
ing an<BR>exotic form of travel to the nearby stars, is the standard mean=
s of trade<BR>and commerce between sectors of the galaxy. Thus although i=
t took 2 million<BR>years for our species to leave the safety of the fore=
sts and build a modem<BR>civilization, it may take only thousands of to l=
eave the safety of our solar<BR>system and build a galactic civilization.=
<BR><BR>One option open to a Type III civilization is harnessing the powe=
r of<BR>supernovae or black holes. Its starships may even be able to prob=
e the<BR>galactic nucleus, which is perhaps the most mysterious of all en=
ergy<BR>sources. Astrophysicists have theorized that because of the enorm=
ous size of<BR>the galactic nucleus, the center of our galaxy may contain=
 millions of black<BR>holes. If true, this would provide virtually unlimi=
ted amounts of energy.<BR><BR>At this point, manipulating energies a mill=
ion billion times larger than<BR>present-day energies should be possible.=
 Thus for a Type III civilization,<BR>with the energy output of uncountab=
le star systems and perhaps the galactic<BR>nucleus at its disposal, the =
mastery of the tenth dimension' becomes a real<BR>possibility.<BR><BR>=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>(7) AND FINALLY: FORGET NEO SEARCHES AS=
 "INVISIBLE ASTEROIDS MAY POSE THREAT<BR>TO EARTH"<BR><BR>From Space Dail=
y, 6 May 2002<BR>http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mirror-matter-02a.html<BR=
><BR>New Theory Asserts The Existence Of Mirror Matter<BR><BR>Melbourne -=
 May 06, 2002<BR><BR>Invisible asteroids and other cosmic bodies made of =
a new form of matter may<BR>pose a threat to Earth, asserts Australian Ph=
ysicist Dr. Robert Foot.<BR><BR>In a revolutionary new theory, Dr. Robert=
 Foot of the University of<BR>Melbourne argues that meteorites composed o=
f `mirror matter' -- a candidate<BR>for the invisible dark matter that as=
tronomers say is necessary to explain<BR>their observations -- could impa=
ct with the Earth without leaving any<BR>ordinary fragments.<BR><BR>Indee=
d, the theory seems to provide a simple explanation for the puzzling<BR>T=
unguska event - the blast which destroyed a huge area of Siberian forest =
in<BR>1908.<BR><BR>While scientists have attributed this explosion to an =
ordinary meteorite, no<BR>traces of such an object have ever been found. =
Moreover, there are frequent<BR>smaller such events, occurring on a yearl=
y basis, which are even more<BR>puzzling.<BR><BR>The idea of mirror matte=
r comes from the established fact that the<BR>interactions of the known e=
lementary particles, such as the electrons,<BR>protons and neutrinos, vio=
late mirror symmetry -- they have left-handed<BR>interactions.<BR><BR>Thi=
s experimental fact motivates the idea that a set of `mirror particles'<B=
R>exist. The left-handedness of the ordinary particles can then be balanc=
ed by<BR>the right-handedness of the mirror particles.<BR><BR>In this way=
 mirror reflection symmetry can exist but requires something<BR>profoundl=
y new -- a new form of matter called `mirror matter'.<BR><BR>In a recentl=
y published book -- Shadowlands, quest for mirror matter in the<BR>Univer=
se -- the scientific case for the existence of mirror matter is given.<BR=
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ur solar system --<BR>might even be a mirror world, which can explain var=
ious anomalous features<BR>of its orbit.<BR><BR>Perhaps, the most importa=
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ps because the problems they solve, while interesting,<BR>are not the mos=
t critical puzzles that we are wrestling with."<BR><BR>Nevertheless, mirr=
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-- Astrobiology at T+5 Years

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=446

"Humans have a long-term interest - a craving for knowledge that probably
pre-dates written history. This interest can best be expressed in the form
of questions - questions that innumerable souls have asked of themselves,
of others - and of the universe that surrounded them: "are we alone in the
Universe? are we - and all life - a unique event that occurred only on our
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:32 PM
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Subject: Geomagnetic Storm Warning

Space Weather News for May 11, 2002
http://www.spaceweather.com

An unexpected interplanetary shock wave swept past Earth at 1000 UT on Ma=
y
11th and triggered a moderate geomagnetic storm. High-latitude sky
watchers -- i.e., those in northern Europe, Canada and across the norther=
n
tier of US states -- should be alert for auroras after local nightfall on
Saturday.  Although the shock wave was not a particularly strong one, it
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> Geomagnetic Storm Warning</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Space Weather News for=
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anetary shock wave swept past Earth at 1000 UT on May<BR>11th and trigger=
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One in three Earthlike planets harbor life?

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Contact In Context is soliciting papers for publication in the journal. 
Contact In Context is a new peer-reviewed, web-based journal sponsored by 
the SETI League and intended as a scientific forum for research in 
astrobiology and in the search for intelligent life in the universe. Within 
these areas, Contact In Context covers topics such as microwave 
spectrometry, optical spectrometry, electrical engineering, technology 
development and assessment studies, chemistry, physics, mathematics and 
statistics. Papers on SETI-related hardware, software, search strategies, 
and philosophy are welcome.  More information is available on the Contact in 
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----- Original Message -----
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ZCZC SWXADVOUT
TTAA00 KWNP 141950

Official Space Weather Advisory issued by NOAA Space Environment Center
Boulder, Colorado, USA

SPACE WEATHER ADVISORY OUTLOOK #02- 20
2002 May 14 at 01:46 p.m. MDT (2002 May 14 1946 UTC)

**** SPACE WEATHER OUTLOOK ****

Summary For May 6-12
Space weather reached moderate levels. Category G1 (minor) to G2
(moderate) geomagnetic storms occurred on May 11 - 12 due to a coronal
mass ejection (CME) passage. Isolated category R1 (minor) radio
blackouts were detected on May 7 and 11 due to moderate-sized solar
flares. There were no solar radiation storms during the period. For a
list of adverse system effects related to space weather storms, please
refer to the NOAA Space Weather Scales.

Outlook For May 15-21
Space weather is expected to be at minor levels. There is a chance for
isolated category R1 (minor) radio blackouts. There will be a slight
chance for category G1 (minor) geomagnetic storm conditions on May 15.
No solar radiation storms are expected.

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A new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal.

There is the possibility that after a header file telling us what =
reference frequencies to use for holographic decompression using a =
gaussian panassociative neuro net that the rest of the message would be =
holographic. Since the holographic message would be longer than the =
header file, we may observe the following characteristics in the signal. =
Two carrier signals preferably out of phase with each other with a =
holographic informational overwrite. We would read it as noise, but =
careful analysis should reveal that the noise is written on seven or =
more sub frequencies overwritten on the two reference frequencies that =
are unrelated to each other. The header file should be sent in the =
clear, because otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted message =
that would be difficult to impossible to decode.=20

The beauty of the system is that information would be redundant and =
self-repairing. We could in fact download in a very short time a =
complete alien knowledge base sent by holographic compression.  Sorry, I =
can not give you more technical information at this time.=20
Ron Blue=20

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COULD SUPERCONDUCTORS TRANSMUTE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION INTO =
GRAVITATIONAL WAVES?=20
http://www.sciam.com/2002/0602issue/0602scicit3.html

Well this does not mean anti-gravity, but it may be connected to many =
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Well, I dont think you can beat the Shannon theorem. In its natural
definition,
holographic method means sending an the Fourrier transform of the signal
instead
of the signal itself.

Yvan Dutil

Ron Blue a =E9crit :

> A new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal. There is
> the possibility that after a header file telling us what reference
> frequencies to use for holographic decompression using a gaussian
> panassociative neuro net that the rest of the message would be
> holographic. Since the holographic message would be longer than the
> header file, we may observe the following characteristics in the
> signal. Two carrier signals preferably out of phase with each other
> with a holographic informational overwrite. We would read it as noise,
> but careful analysis should reveal that the noise is written on seven
> or more sub frequencies overwritten on the two reference frequencies
> that are unrelated to each other. The header file should be sent in
> the clear, because otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted
> message that would be difficult to impossible to decode. The beauty of
> the system is that information would be redundant and self-repairing.
> We could in fact download in a very short time a complete alien
> knowledge base sent by holographic compression.  Sorry, I can not give
> you more technical information at this time.Ron Blue
>
> http://turn.to.ai (USA only)
> http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html

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Well, I dont think you can beat the Shannon theorem. In its natural definition,
<br>holographic method means sending an the Fourrier transform of the signal
instead
<br>of the signal itself.
<p>Yvan Dutil
<p>Ron Blue a &eacute;crit :
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>A
new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>There
is the possibility that after a header file telling us what reference frequencies
to use for holographic decompression using a gaussian panassociative neuro
net that the rest of the message would be holographic. Since the holographic
message would be longer than the header file, we may observe the following
characteristics in the signal. Two carrier signals preferably out of phase
with each other with a holographic informational overwrite. We would read
it as noise, but careful analysis should reveal that the noise is written
on seven or more sub frequencies overwritten on the two reference frequencies
that are unrelated to each other. The header file should be sent in the
clear, because otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted message
that would be difficult to impossible to decode.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>The
beauty of the system is that information would be redundant and self-repairing.
We could in fact download in a very short time a complete alien knowledge
base sent by holographic compression.&nbsp; Sorry, I can not give you more
technical information at this time.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Ron
Blue</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><a href="http://turn.to.ai/">http://turn.to.ai</a>
(USA only)</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><a href="http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html">http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html</a></font></font></blockquote>

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All of this stuff is great...Its too bad ET probably don't use radio 
for intergalaxy, interstellar communications....last I heard,
too slow for the distances involved. Seemingly, same reason  
community disallows visitation, can't get here, why look?  Radio,
is nearly unusable between Earth and Mars or between our (own) planets 
in 'our' solar system. Using same (defective?) logic, why 'listen'?

Perhaps ET have modified their own 'DNA'/regeneration 
code/cloning/manufacturing? speculating that 'they' in some remotely 
recognizable manner resemble Human biology. I don't necessarily 
intend that 'they' appear as we do, but then again, we exist in this 
form, so why not? Be that as it may, perhaps they 'live' much longer 
than we do, or are, perhaps, immortal?  Then, SETI may get its wish, 
and receive a signal, again, speculating that they are as 
consciously/technically constrained as we are in our ~60yr/life-span 
evolution, and have evolved in some similar manner with and 
commensurate with RADIO development? 

It would be wonderful (perhaps naively dangerous) to detect ETI 
signature, either way, it would be exciting..




 

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Well, I dont think you can beat the Shannon theorem. In its natural
definition, holographic method means sending an the Fourrier transform
of the signal instead of the signal itself.

Yvan Dutil

Ron Blue a écrit :

> A new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal. There is
> the possibility that after a header file telling us what reference
> frequencies to use for holographic decompression using a gaussian
> panassociative neuro net that the rest of the message would be
> holographic. Since the holographic message would be longer than the
> header file, we may observe the following characteristics in the
> signal. Two carrier signals preferably out of phase with each other
> with a holographic informational overwrite. We would read it as noise,
> but careful analysis should reveal that the noise is written on seven
> or more sub frequencies overwritten on the two reference frequencies
> that are unrelated to each other. The header file should be sent in
> the clear, because otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted
> message that would be difficult to impossible to decode. The beauty of
> the system is that information would be redundant and self-repairing.
> We could in fact download in a very short time a complete alien
> knowledge base sent by holographic compression.  Sorry, I can not give
> you more technical information at this time.Ron Blue
>
> http://turn.to.ai (USA only)
> http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html


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Unless some new physics is discovered they are going to be limited by the
speed of light.  But even with that limitation there is a lot they could
do.  It is possible that they decided that narrow band communication was
inefficent and are using Gaussian Pulses instead, they may have decided
gravitational radiation was the way to go.

As far as face-to-face interaction, I would prefer to interact with them
as they are rather than them appearing to look like us.

73,
Daniel Fox
KF9ET



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My feelings on Advanced ETI these days are that such beings
would be either a combination of biological and technological
systems working in synch, or have become fully technological.

See here for an example of what I mean:

http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/index.html

Would such beings want to talk to us?  Perhaps this is one
answer as to why we don't find the galaxy humming with =20
alien chatter.

This is a good cue to ask:  Are any SETI League members =20
conducting Optical SETI at present?  If so, can you please
provide details of your efforts?  Thanks!

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: walt_williams@setv.org
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:52 AM
To: setipublic
Subject: SETI public: public: holographic compression/decompression

All of this stuff is great...Its too bad ET probably don't use radio
for intergalaxy, interstellar communications....last I heard,
too slow for the distances involved. Seemingly, same reason
community disallows visitation, can't get here, why look?  Radio,
is nearly unusable between Earth and Mars or between our (own) planets
in 'our' solar system. Using same (defective?) logic, why 'listen'?

Perhaps ET have modified their own 'DNA'/regeneration
code/cloning/manufacturing? speculating that 'they' in some remotely
recognizable manner resemble Human biology. I don't necessarily
intend that 'they' appear as we do, but then again, we exist in this
form, so why not? Be that as it may, perhaps they 'live' much longer
than we do, or are, perhaps, immortal?  Then, SETI may get its wish,
and receive a signal, again, speculating that they are as
consciously/technically constrained as we are in our ~60yr/life-span
evolution, and have evolved in some similar manner with and
commensurate with RADIO development?

It would be wonderful (perhaps naively dangerous) to detect ETI
signature, either way, it would be exciting..






------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date:          Thu, 16 May 2002 20:47:43 -0400
From:          Yvan Dutil <yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca>
Reply-to:      yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca
To:            Ron Blue <rcb5@msn.com>
Cc:            setipublic <public@setileague.org>
Subject:       Re: SETI public: holographic compression/decompression

Well, I dont think you can beat the Shannon theorem. In its natural
definition, holographic method means sending an the Fourrier transform
of the signal instead of the signal itself.

Yvan Dutil

Ron Blue a =E9crit :

> A new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal. There is
> the possibility that after a header file telling us what reference
> frequencies to use for holographic decompression using a gaussian
> panassociative neuro net that the rest of the message would be
> holographic. Since the holographic message would be longer than the
> header file, we may observe the following characteristics in the
> signal. Two carrier signals preferably out of phase with each other
> with a holographic informational overwrite. We would read it as noise,
> but careful analysis should reveal that the noise is written on seven
> or more sub frequencies overwritten on the two reference frequencies
> that are unrelated to each other. The header file should be sent in
> the clear, because otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted
> message that would be difficult to impossible to decode. The beauty of
> the system is that information would be redundant and self-repairing.
> We could in fact download in a very short time a complete alien
> knowledge base sent by holographic compression.  Sorry, I can not give
> you more technical information at this time.Ron Blue
>
> http://turn.to.ai (USA only)
> http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>My feelings on=
 Advanced ETI these days are that such beings</DIV> <DIV>would be either =
a combination of biological and technological</DIV> <DIV>systems working =
in synch, or have become fully technological.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DI=
V>See here for an example of what I mean:</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><A=
 href=3D"http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/index.html">ht=
tp://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/index.html</A></DIV> <DIV=
>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Would such beings want to talk to us?&nbsp; Perhaps th=
is is one</DIV> <DIV>answer as to why we don't find the galaxy humming wi=
th </DIV> <DIV>alien chatter.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>This is a good=
 cue to ask:&nbsp; Are any SETI League members </DIV> <DIV>conducting Opt=
ical SETI at present?&nbsp; If so, can you please</DIV> <DIV>provide deta=
ils of your efforts?&nbsp; Thanks!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Larry</DI=
V> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEF=
T: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0=
px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <=
DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From=
:</B> walt_williams@setv.org</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sen=
t:</B> Friday, May 17, 2002 3:52 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"=
><B>To:</B> setipublic</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:<=
/B> SETI public: public: holographic compression/decompression</DIV> <DIV=
>&nbsp;</DIV>All of this stuff is great...Its too bad ET probably don't u=
se radio<BR>for intergalaxy, interstellar communications....last I heard,=
<BR>too slow for the distances involved. Seemingly, same reason<BR>commun=
ity disallows visitation, can't get here, why look?&nbsp; Radio,<BR>is ne=
arly unusable between Earth and Mars or between our (own) planets<BR>in '=
our' solar system. Using same (defective?) logic, why 'listen'?<BR><BR>Pe=
rhaps ET have modified their own 'DNA'/regeneration<BR>code/cloning/manuf=
acturing? speculating that 'they' in some remotely<BR>recognizable manner=
 resemble Human biology. I don't necessarily<BR>intend that 'they' appear=
 as we do, but then again, we exist in this<BR>form, so why not? Be that =
as it may, perhaps they 'live' much longer<BR>than we do, or are, perhaps=
, immortal?&nbsp; Then, SETI may get its wish,<BR>and receive a signal, a=
gain, speculating that they are as<BR>consciously/technically constrained=
 as we are in our ~60yr/life-span<BR>evolution, and have evolved in some =
similar manner with and<BR>commensurate with RADIO development?<BR><BR>It=
 would be wonderful (perhaps naively dangerous) to detect ETI<BR>signatur=
e, either way, it would be exciting..<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------- =
Forwarded Message Follows -------<BR>Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:47:43 -0400<BR>From:&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yvan Dutil &lt;yvan.dutil@s=
ympatico.ca&gt;<BR>Reply-to:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; yvan.dutil@sym=
patico.ca<BR>To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; Ron Blue &lt;rcb5@msn.com&gt;<BR>Cc:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; setipublic &lt;public@setileague.=
org&gt;<BR>Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Re: SETI public: =
holographic compression/decompression<BR><BR>Well, I dont think you can b=
eat the Shannon theorem. In its natural<BR>definition, holographic method=
 means sending an the Fourrier transform<BR>of the signal instead of the =
signal itself.<BR><BR>Yvan Dutil<BR><BR>Ron Blue a =E9crit :<BR><BR>&gt; =
A new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal. There is<BR>&=
gt; the possibility that after a header file telling us what reference<BR=
>&gt; frequencies to use for holographic decompression using a gaussian<B=
R>&gt; panassociative neuro net that the rest of the message would be<BR>=
&gt; holographic. Since the holographic message would be longer than the<=
BR>&gt; header file, we may observe the following characteristics in the<=
BR>&gt; signal. Two carrier signals preferably out of phase with each oth=
er<BR>&gt; with a holographic informational overwrite. We would read it a=
s noise,<BR>&gt; but careful analysis should reveal that the noise is wri=
tten on seven<BR>&gt; or more sub frequencies overwritten on the two refe=
rence frequencies<BR>&gt; that are unrelated to each other. The header fi=
le should be sent in<BR>&gt; the clear, because otherwise this would be a=
 holographic encrypted<BR>&gt; message that would be difficult to impossi=
ble to decode. The beauty of<BR>&gt; the system is that information would=
 be redundant and self-repairing.<BR>&gt; We could in fact download in a =
very short time a complete alien<BR>&gt; knowledge base sent by holograph=
ic compression.&nbsp; Sorry, I can not give<BR>&gt; you more technical in=
formation at this time.Ron Blue<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; http://turn.to.ai (USA on=
ly)<BR>&gt; http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html<BR>=
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One more, speaking of biological means of ASETI: Joe Davis of
MIT thinks that ETI might be communicating via messages
encoded in microbes that can survive interstellar space and
be spread all over the galaxy.  =20

Perhaps we should be using space probes to scoop up debris
in our solar system and put it under the microscope.  Who
knows what the Stardust and Genesis probes might find?

See here for the details: =20

http://www.sciam.com/2001/0401issue/0401profile.html

http://the-tech.mit.edu/V120/N26/bioartists.26f.html

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/alien/chapter/ch12.html

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: walt_williams@setv.org
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:52 AM
To: setipublic
Subject: SETI public: public: holographic compression/decompression

All of this stuff is great...Its too bad ET probably don't use radio
for intergalaxy, interstellar communications....last I heard,
too slow for the distances involved. Seemingly, same reason
community disallows visitation, can't get here, why look?  Radio,
is nearly unusable between Earth and Mars or between our (own) planets
in 'our' solar system. Using same (defective?) logic, why 'listen'?

Perhaps ET have modified their own 'DNA'/regeneration
code/cloning/manufacturing? speculating that 'they' in some remotely
recognizable manner resemble Human biology. I don't necessarily
intend that 'they' appear as we do, but then again, we exist in this
form, so why not? Be that as it may, perhaps they 'live' much longer
than we do, or are, perhaps, immortal?  Then, SETI may get its wish,
and receive a signal, again, speculating that they are as
consciously/technically constrained as we are in our ~60yr/life-span
evolution, and have evolved in some similar manner with and
commensurate with RADIO development?

It would be wonderful (perhaps naively dangerous) to detect ETI
signature, either way, it would be exciting..






------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date:          Thu, 16 May 2002 20:47:43 -0400
From:          Yvan Dutil <yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca>
Reply-to:      yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca
To:            Ron Blue <rcb5@msn.com>
Cc:            setipublic <public@setileague.org>
Subject:       Re: SETI public: holographic compression/decompression

Well, I dont think you can beat the Shannon theorem. In its natural
definition, holographic method means sending an the Fourrier transform
of the signal instead of the signal itself.

Yvan Dutil

Ron Blue a =E9crit :

> A new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal. There is
> the possibility that after a header file telling us what reference
> frequencies to use for holographic decompression using a gaussian
> panassociative neuro net that the rest of the message would be
> holographic. Since the holographic message would be longer than the
> header file, we may observe the following characteristics in the
> signal. Two carrier signals preferably out of phase with each other
> with a holographic informational overwrite. We would read it as noise,
> but careful analysis should reveal that the noise is written on seven
> or more sub frequencies overwritten on the two reference frequencies
> that are unrelated to each other. The header file should be sent in
> the clear, because otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted
> message that would be difficult to impossible to decode. The beauty of
> the system is that information would be redundant and self-repairing.
> We could in fact download in a very short time a complete alien
> knowledge base sent by holographic compression.  Sorry, I can not give
> you more technical information at this time.Ron Blue
>
> http://turn.to.ai (USA only)
> http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>One more, spea=
king of biological means of ASETI: Joe Davis of</DIV> <DIV>MIT thinks&nbs=
p;that ETI might be communicating via messages</DIV> <DIV>encoded in micr=
obes that can survive interstellar space and</DIV> <DIV>be spread all ove=
r the galaxy.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Perhaps we should be us=
ing space probes to scoop up debris</DIV> <DIV>in our solar system and pu=
t it under the microscope.&nbsp; Who</DIV> <DIV>knows what the Stardust a=
nd Genesis probes might find?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>See&nbsp;here =
for the details:&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://www=
.sciam.com/2001/0401issue/0401profile.html">http://www.sciam.com/2001/040=
1issue/0401profile.html</A></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http:=
//the-tech.mit.edu/V120/N26/bioartists.26f.html">http://the-tech.mit.edu/=
V120/N26/bioartists.26f.html</A></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"=
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/alien/chapter/ch12.html">http://www.oreill=
y.com/catalog/alien/chapter/ch12.html</A></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>La=
rry</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDIN=
G-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2=
px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Origi=
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al; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> walt_williams@setv.org</DIV> <DIV style=3D=
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tyle=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> setipublic</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT:=
 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> SETI public: public: holographic compression=
/decompression</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>All of this stuff is great...Its to=
o bad ET probably don't use radio<BR>for intergalaxy, interstellar commun=
ications....last I heard,<BR>too slow for the distances involved. Seeming=
ly, same reason<BR>community disallows visitation, can't get here, why lo=
ok?&nbsp; Radio,<BR>is nearly unusable between Earth and Mars or between =
our (own) planets<BR>in 'our' solar system. Using same (defective?) logic=
, why 'listen'?<BR><BR>Perhaps ET have modified their own 'DNA'/regenerat=
ion<BR>code/cloning/manufacturing? speculating that 'they' in some remote=
ly<BR>recognizable manner resemble Human biology. I don't necessarily<BR>=
intend that 'they' appear as we do, but then again, we exist in this<BR>f=
orm, so why not? Be that as it may, perhaps they 'live' much longer<BR>th=
an we do, or are, perhaps, immortal?&nbsp; Then, SETI may get its wish,<B=
R>and receive a signal, again, speculating that they are as<BR>consciousl=
y/technically constrained as we are in our ~60yr/life-span<BR>evolution, =
and have evolved in some similar manner with and<BR>commensurate with RAD=
IO development?<BR><BR>It would be wonderful (perhaps naively dangerous) =
to detect ETI<BR>signature, either way, it would be exciting..<BR><BR><BR=
><BR><BR><BR><BR>------- Forwarded Message Follows -------<BR>Date:&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:47:4=
3 -0400<BR>From:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yv=
an Dutil &lt;yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca&gt;<BR>Reply-to:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca<BR>To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron Blue &lt;rcb5@msn.com&gt;<BR>Cc:&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; setipubl=
ic &lt;public@setileague.org&gt;<BR>Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; Re: SETI public: holographic compression/decompression<BR><BR>Wel=
l, I dont think you can beat the Shannon theorem. In its natural<BR>defin=
ition, holographic method means sending an the Fourrier transform<BR>of t=
he signal instead of the signal itself.<BR><BR>Yvan Dutil<BR><BR>Ron Blue=
 a =E9crit :<BR><BR>&gt; A new problem we may encounter when receiving an=
 ET signal. There is<BR>&gt; the possibility that after a header file tel=
ling us what reference<BR>&gt; frequencies to use for holographic decompr=
ession using a gaussian<BR>&gt; panassociative neuro net that the rest of=
 the message would be<BR>&gt; holographic. Since the holographic message =
would be longer than the<BR>&gt; header file, we may observe the followin=
g characteristics in the<BR>&gt; signal. Two carrier signals preferably o=
ut of phase with each other<BR>&gt; with a holographic informational over=
write. We would read it as noise,<BR>&gt; but careful analysis should rev=
eal that the noise is written on seven<BR>&gt; or more sub frequencies ov=
erwritten on the two reference frequencies<BR>&gt; that are unrelated to =
each other. The header file should be sent in<BR>&gt; the clear, because =
otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted<BR>&gt; message that woul=
d be difficult to impossible to decode. The beauty of<BR>&gt; the system =
is that information would be redundant and self-repairing.<BR>&gt; We cou=
ld in fact download in a very short time a complete alien<BR>&gt; knowled=
ge base sent by holographic compression.&nbsp; Sorry, I can not give<BR>&=
gt; you more technical information at this time.Ron Blue<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
http://turn.to.ai (USA only)<BR>&gt; http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/=
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - May 13-17, 2002

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
May 13-17, 2002

o Reuyl Crater Dust Avalanches (Released 13 May 2002)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020513a.html

o Water Ice Clouds over the Northern Plains (Released 14 May 2002)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020514a.html

o Utopia Planitia (Released 15 May 2002)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020515a.html

o Hesperia Planum (Released 16 May 2002)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020516a.html

o Hadriaca Patera (Released 17 May 2002)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020517a.html

All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing.
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a
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u/zoom-20020513a.html<BR><BR>o Water Ice Clouds over the Northern Plains =
(Released 14 May 2002)<BR>&nbsp; http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020514a.=
html<BR><BR>o Utopia Planitia (Released 15 May 2002)<BR>&nbsp; http://the=
mis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020515a.html<BR><BR>o Hesperia Planum (Released 16 =
May 2002)<BR>&nbsp; http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20020516a.html<BR><BR>o=
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u/zoom-20020517a.html<BR><BR>All of the THEMIS images are archived here:<=
BR><BR>http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html<BR><BR>NASA's Jet Propulsion =
Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission<BR>for NASA's Office of =
Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission<BR>Imaging System (T=
HEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,<BR>Tempe, in collaborat=
ion with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing.<BR>The THEMIS investigati=
on is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State<BR>University. Lockh=
eed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor<BR>for the Odyss=
ey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission<BR>operations ar=
e conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a<BR>division of t=
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There is a brief description of our optical SETI with pictures on our
research group's web page at
http://www.pharm.uky.edu/ASRG/CURRENT/J94/argus.htm
Just click on Near-Infrared Optical SETI.

From: "LARRY KLAES" <ljk4@msn.com>
To: <walt_williams@setv.org>, "setipublic" <public@setileague.org>
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Subject: Volcor: Re: SETI public: public: holographic
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This is a good cue to ask:  Are any SETI League members
conducting Optical SETI at present?  If so, can you please
provide details of your efforts?  Thanks!

Larry

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Culprit Caught in Gamma-Ray Burst Mystery

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=3D8362

Gamma-ray bursts are caused by explosive death of massive stars, new stud=
y reveals

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=3D8361

In two papers appearing in an upcoming issue of the Astrophysical Journal=
, an international
team of astrophysicists reveals that new data show that supernovae are th=
e source of
gamma-ray bursts. The new information was obtained from a gamma-ray burst=
 that was
detected in November and studied by the Hubble Space Telescope, the Austr=
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//www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=3D8361">http://www.spaceref.com/n=
ews/viewpr.html?pid=3D8361</A><BR><BR>In two papers appearing in an upcom=
ing issue of the Astrophysical Journal, an international<BR>team of astro=
physicists reveals that new data show that supernovae are the source of<B=
R>gamma-ray bursts. The new information was obtained from a gamma-ray bur=
st that was<BR>detected in November and studied by the Hubble Space Teles=
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----- Original Message -----
From: SpaceWeather.com
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 2:35 AM
To: SpaceWeather.com
Subject: Weekend Aurora Watch

Space Weather News for May 18, 2002
http://www.spaceweather.com

A coronal mass ejection (CME) that billowed away from the Sun on May 16th
is heading for our planet.  It is not a remarkably bright or fast-moving
CME. Nevertheless, the cloud could trigger a geomagnetic storm when it
reaches Earth on May 18th or (more likely) May 19th.  Sky watchers --
particularly those in northern Europe, Canada and across the northern tie=
r
of US states -- should be alert for auroras after local nightfall this
weekend.  Visit spaceweather.com for updates.

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urday, May 18, 2002 2:35 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:<=
/B> SpaceWeather.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B=
> Weekend Aurora Watch</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Space Weather News for May =
18, 2002<BR>http://www.spaceweather.com<BR><BR>A coronal mass ejection (C=
ME) that billowed away from the Sun on May 16th<BR>is heading for our pla=
net.&nbsp; It is not a remarkably bright or fast-moving<BR>CME. Neverthel=
ess, the cloud could trigger a geomagnetic storm when it<BR>reaches Ear