Re: SETI public: Simulated ET Message

Subject: SETI public: Interesting milestone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, The SETI League, Inc. has just passed an interesting milestone, with the addition of our 1296th member. Although this may not sound as noteworthy as the 500th, and 1000th members (the reaching of both goals which generated press releases), those of you who are licensed radio amateurs may recognize the significance of the number 1296. It represents the preferred operating frequency (in MHz) within the popular 23 cm amateur microwave band. It was on 1296 MHz that the first ever amateur moonbounce contact was successfully completed 42 years ago. (Douglas Adams fans will recognize that 42 is itself a mystical quantity, the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything.) And, in fact, 1296.000 MHz is the operating frequency of The SETI League's moonbounce calibration beacon, featured in the November 2001 issue of QST magazine (and at ). If you, like me, consider 1296 MHz to be a "magic frequency", then I hope you'll join me in informally celebrating The SETI League's 1296th member. 73, Paul N6TX -------------------------------- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D., CFII, FBIS Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555 Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771 n6tx@setileague.org www.setileague.org Project Argus station FN11LH "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Jan 18 17:52:21 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0J1qKc28517; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id UAA01612 for public-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01593; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust43.tnt3.loyalsock.pa.da.uu.net ([67.211.118.43] helo=office) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RkS0-0001cx-00; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:37:44 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020118203710.01ac0a84@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: drseti@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:37:10 -0500 To: rcf@setileague.org From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: SETI public: SETI League Website Updated / SETICon details Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, We've just completed a periodic update to The SETI League website. You may be especially interested in the streamlined URL shortcut to our annual SETICon Technical Symposium: www.setileague.org/seticon All SETI League members in good standing will be receiving full SETICon02 details and registration materials in about a week, via post. Meanwhile, I invite you to browse the website for our latest plans. This year's SETICon promises to be a major improvement over our first modest attempt last year. I hope you'll be able to join us. While you're at it, you might want to mark your calendar for SETICOn03, planned for 25 - 27 April 2003 at the usual location (College of New Jersey near Trenton, NJ USA). Since 2003 marks the tenth anniversary of the US Congress canceling the NASA SETI program, SETICon03 will be a celebration of a decade of privatized SETI progress. Spread the word! Yours for SETI Success, Paul -------------------------------- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D., CFII, FBIS Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555 Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771 n6tx@setileague.org www.setileague.org Project Argus station FN11LH "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Mon Jan 21 11:14:16 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0LJEFc06903; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id OAA22814 for public-list; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:00:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe34.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.114]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22809; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:59:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.231] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Gordon Stanley - Pinpointed radio waves from space Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A283.C7662460" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2002 18:59:30.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1E50C20:01C1A2AD] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A283.C7662460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable January 21, 2002 Gordon J. Stanley Dies at 80; Pinpointed Radio Waves From Space By KENNETH CHANG ordon J. Stanley, a pioneer in radio astronomy who discovered incredibly = powerful sources of radio waves in outer space, died on Dec. 17 in Monter= ey, Calif. He was 80. The cause of death was complications from progressive supranuclear palsy,= his family said. Born in Cambridge, New Zealand, Mr. Stanley, an engineer by training, was= among a group of scientists who adapted radar equipment left from World = War II for observing radio signals from the skies. Most astronomers presumed, correctly, that most radio noise was generated= by hot clouds of gas floating in interstellar space, but they also detec= ted puzzling bright spots. Because their antennas were small compared with the giant dishes of later= radio telescopes, they could not identify exactly where the signals were= coming from, as if the radio pictures were too blurry. >From a former radar station on a cliff overlooking Sydney, Mr. Stanley an= d his colleague John G. Bolton used a trick to home in on the bright spot= s that were producing the strong radio waves. Soon after one of the radio sources rose above the horizon, they pointed = the antenna at it. The vast expanse of the Pacific to the east acted as a giant mirror, and = some of the radio waves bounced off the water before traveling to the ant= enna. The two beams of radio waves =E2=80=94 one coming directly from the= sky, the other reflecting off the water =E2=80=94 produced an interferen= ce pattern like the intersecting rings of raindrops hitting a pond. That = allowed the scientists to better determine the size and position of the r= adio source. To their surprise, the source was not diffuse like a gas cloud but small = and compact like a star. The universe, it appeared, contained tremendousl= y powerful radio transmitters. "It is difficult to comprehend the emotional impact of an observation whi= ch took us from the partially explicable solar system and galactic radio = emission phenomena, into the realms of phenomena with inexplicably high e= nergy outputs," Mr. Stanley wrote in 1994, in a tribute to Mr. Bolton, wh= o died in 1993. "Neither of us ever approached such an emotional high aga= in in our work." Later research showed that two of the radio sources were actually distant= galaxies, the radio waves generated by gas falling into giant black hole= s. Another radio source turned out to be the Crab Nebula, the remnants of= an exploded star. In 1955, Mr. Stanley followed Mr. Bolton to the California Institute of T= echnology, where they built the Owens Valley Radio Observatory. Mr. Stanl= ey was the observatory's director from 1961 to 1975. Mr. Stanley, who lived in Monterey, is survived by his wife, Helen; two d= aughters, Luise Phelps of Santa Barbara, Calif., and Teresa Stanley of Ar= cata, Calif.; a son, Stephen, of Issaquah, Wash.; and three grandchildren= . ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A283.C7662460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A283.C7662460-- From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Jan 23 05:52:09 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0NDq3c00341; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id IAA24066 for public-list; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24058; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust39.tnt1.loyalsock.pa.da.uu.net ([67.202.252.167] helo=office) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TNKn-0004CH-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:21:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020123081953.00fd54b8@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: drseti@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:19:53 -0500 To: public@setileague.org From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: SETI public: apology Cc: rcf@setileague.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk SETIzens, I apologize that a spammer got past our modest security measures, and managed to post a commercial message to the PUBLIC email discussion list. I have taken measures to block this sender from all SETI League email lists, and regret any inconvenience to you. Thanks for your understanding, and for your continued interest in SETI. All best, Paul -------------------------------- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D., CFII, FBIS Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555 Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771 n6tx@setileague.org www.setileague.org Project Argus station FN11LH "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Jan 23 15:09:57 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0NN9uc12780; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id RAA07894 for public-list; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe84.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.226]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07883; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:57:56 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.159] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" , "volcor" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: New ASETI Transmission set for later this year Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:57:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A437.77CD62F0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 22:57:56.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C002F0:01C1A461] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A437.77CD62F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Alien" message tests human decoders by Will Knight New Scientist http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991757 "A message that will be broadcast into space later in 2002 has been released to scientists worldwide, to test that it can be decoded easily. The researchers who devised the message eventually hope to design a system that could automatically decode an alien reply." ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A437.77CD62F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Alien" messag= e tests human decoders

by Will Knight

New S= cientist

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=3Dns= 99991757

"A message that will be broadcast into space later in 200= 2 has been
released to scientists worldwide, to test that it can be de= coded easily.
The researchers who devised the message eventually hope = to design

a system that could automatically decode an alien r= eply."

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A437.77CD62F0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 10:31:59 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0OIVwc09031; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id NAA01814 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:18:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe86.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.228]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01810; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:17:42 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.34] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" , "volcor" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Teenagers conducted ASETI project in 2001 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:17:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4D9.7A854F60" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 18:17:42.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A4B28C0:01C1A503] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4D9.7A854F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Teen-Age Message (TAM) was a project by three Russian teenagers to send music and graphic depictions into the Milky Way galaxy in late August and early September of 2001, using the same Evaptoria radio telescope that Dutil and Dumas have. Details may be found here: http://www.ebe.allwebco.com/Science/Reaching_Out/TAM.shtml Larry ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4D9.7A854F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Teen-Age Messa= ge (TAM) was a project by three Russian teenagers

to send musi= c and graphic depictions into the Milky Way galaxy in

late Aug= ust and early September of 2001, using the same Evaptoria

radi= o telescope that Dutil and Dumas have.

Detai= ls may be found here:

http://www.ebe.all= webco.com/Science/Reaching_Out/TAM.shtml

Larry

&nbs= p;

------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4D9.7A854F60-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 11:15:35 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0OJFYc15157; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id OAA03851 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:00:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03847 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from modem-156-53-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.53.156] helo=tinypc) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Tp6t-00011Y-00 for public@setileague.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:00:31 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c1a509$33e021e0$9c353c3e@tinypc> From: "john.elliott" To: Subject: SETI public: Simulated signal Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:59:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Greetings all In response to Larry Klaes' recent email pointing towards the New Scientist article, "Alien" message tests human decoders, I thought I should include my quick, first pass analysis (deadline of 5 days due to conference) of the signal. I looked at the bit-stream last month (Yvan sent me a copy as we were both on the message construction workshop in Toulouse) and have already published a paper in computational linguistics, stating that the bit-stream is an image: The SETI Challenge, in Proceedings of the 5th Annual CLUK Colloquium: Computational Linguistics in the United Kingdom, University of Leeds. However, I stopped at this stage as I am interested in linguistic issues and encoding one structure (language) within another (an image) only serves to complicate matters and 'freeze' the content. It was also reasonably obvious that information had been simulated as lost, as the number of bits in the stream is a prime number. Nevertheless an interesting exercise and much still needs to be done. Still searching, John *************************************************************** John Elliott Centre for Computer Analysis of Language and Speech University of Leeds. http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/jre/ email: jre@comp.leeds.ac.uk or Home: 0113 286 6517 john.elliott@leedsalumni.org.uk *************************************************************** From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 12:22:22 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0OKMLc08927; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id PAA07147 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:09:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe34.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.114]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07137; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:08:54 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.225] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "BioAstro" , "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: How Humans View Themselves Affects Our View of ETI Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:08:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4E9.02A55750" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 20:08:54.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2932B10:01C1A512] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4E9.02A55750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How Our View Of Ourselves Affects Beliefs About E.T. http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_survey_020124.html A search for signals from extraterrestrials will probably be successful i= f it lasts long enough. And humans are the most important species on Eart= h. ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4E9.02A55750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How Our View O= f Ourselves Affects Beliefs About E.T.

http://www.space.co= m/searchforlife/seti_survey_020124.html

A search for signals from = extraterrestrials will probably be successful if it lasts long enough. An= d humans are the most important species on Earth.

&nbs= p;

------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1A4E9.02A55750-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 13:21:49 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0OLLmc08630; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id QAA10058 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:11:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10050; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust26.tnt1.loyalsock.pa.da.uu.net ([67.202.252.154] helo=office) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Tr9O-00037s-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:11:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020124161040.00d72df8@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: drseti@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:10:40 -0500 To: "john.elliott" , From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal Cc: rcf@setileague.org In-Reply-To: <002401c1a509$33e021e0$9c353c3e@tinypc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk At 06:59 PM 1/24/02 -0000, john.elliott wrote: > It was also reasonably obvious >that information had been simulated as lost, as the number of bits in the >stream is a prime number. That's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit stream as the product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), and failed dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional image, and tried for a product of 3 primes, without success. It never occured to me that there were simulated message dropouts. So, I guess I'm not as clever as we're expecting ETI to be. -------------------------------- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D., CFII, FBIS Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555 Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771 n6tx@setileague.org www.setileague.org Project Argus station FN11LH "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 16:27:05 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0P0R4c00346; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id TAA18890 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:18:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18878; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust26.tnt1.loyalsock.pa.da.uu.net ([67.202.252.154] helo=office) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Tu4y-0002ha-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:18:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020124191818.00e6d6e8@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: drseti@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:18:18 -0500 To: Richard Burke-Ward From: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal Cc: public@setileague.org, rcf@setileague.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20020124161040.00d72df8@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk At 12:14 AM 1/25/02 +0000, Richard Burke-Ward wrote: >Folks, human vision is a better patter-detector than mathematics! Why not >just try varying the page-width of the digit stream until a pattern emerges? >Takes about 3 minutes! That's kind of what I ended up doing, Richard. I did a global replace in Microsoft Word, converting every 1 into a dot, and every 0 into a space. Then I set my font size to 1-point (!), and dragged the right margin back and forth looking for a coherent halftone image. That's when my computer locked up! Don't do this without lots of memory, and all other applications closed. In fact, if you can help it, don't do this in Windows. -------------------------------- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D., CFII, FBIS Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555 Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771 n6tx@setileague.org www.setileague.org Project Argus station FN11LH "We Know We're Not Alone!" From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 17:16:15 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0P1GDc30048; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id UAA21040 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21027 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from host217-35-11-72.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.11.72]) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Tun0-00070s-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:04:22 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:04:22 +0000 Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal From: Richard Burke-Ward To: Public SETI List , "john.elliott" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20020124161040.00d72df8@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk > That's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit stream as the > product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), and failed > dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional image, and tried for a > product of 3 primes, without success. It never occured to me that there > were simulated message dropouts. So, I guess I'm not as clever as we're > expecting ETI to be. Folks, human vision is a better patter-detector than mathematics! Why not just try varying the page-width of the digit stream until a pattern emerges? Takes about 3 minutes! You'll find there are missing / extra digits in the stream - and also a very obvious explanation (well, obvious after the event!) for why overall number of digits is no help... I don't want to give too much away - play with it yourselves - but that margin-setting tip should get you started in almost no time. Enjoy. All the best, Richard From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 18:11:21 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0P2BKc03211; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id VAA23838 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:03:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23834 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([65.93.221.174]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125020337.TRBL18601.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50BCC6.C68E5F4D@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:02:46 -0500 From: Yvan Dutil X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "john.elliott" CC: public@setileague.org, Stephane Dumas Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal References: <002401c1a509$33e021e0$9c353c3e@tinypc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by seti1.setileague.org id VAA23835 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Hi John, I am very glad to have your input. Actuallay, we plan to implement your statistical tools in our "decoding" program. Knowing that it worked with your method is a good news. Yvan "john.elliott" a �crit : > Greetings all > > In response to Larry Klaes' recent email pointing towards the New Scientist > article, "Alien" message tests human decoders, I thought I should include my > quick, first pass analysis (deadline of 5 days due to conference) of the > signal. > > I looked at the bit-stream last month (Yvan sent me a copy as we were both > on the message construction workshop in Toulouse) and have already published > a paper in computational linguistics, stating that the bit-stream is an > image: > The SETI Challenge, in Proceedings of the 5th Annual CLUK Colloquium: > Computational Linguistics in the United Kingdom, University of Leeds. > However, I stopped at this stage as I am interested in linguistic issues and > encoding one structure (language) within another (an image) only serves to > complicate matters and 'freeze' the content. It was also reasonably obvious > that information had been simulated as lost, as the number of bits in the > stream is a prime number. Nevertheless an interesting exercise and much > still needs to be done. > > Still searching, > > John > *************************************************************** > John Elliott > Centre for Computer Analysis of Language and Speech > University of Leeds. http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/jre/ > email: jre@comp.leeds.ac.uk or > Home: 0113 286 6517 john.elliott@leedsalumni.org.uk > *************************************************************** From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 18:14:13 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0P2ECc23436; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id VAA23952 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:05:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts12.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.56]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23948 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([65.93.221.174]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125020551.SXYI27482.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50BD4C.26C0B2E3@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:05:01 -0500 From: Yvan Dutil X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: public@setileague.org CC: Stephane_dumas@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal References: <3.0.1.32.20020124161040.00d72df8@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by seti1.setileague.org id VAA23949 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Actually, the use of primes number for the format is almost useless. I am always surprize that this idea had survived up to now. Yvan "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" a �crit : > At 06:59 PM 1/24/02 -0000, john.elliott wrote: > > > It was also reasonably obvious > >that information had been simulated as lost, as the number of bits in the > >stream is a prime number. > > That's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit stream as the > product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), and failed > dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional image, and tried for a > product of 3 primes, without success. It never occured to me that there > were simulated message dropouts. So, I guess I'm not as clever as we're > expecting ETI to be. From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 18:36:37 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0P2aac22527; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id VAA24905 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:25:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts11.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.55]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24901 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([65.93.221.174]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125022521.OXRI25654.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50C1DD.C83ECA93@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:24:29 -0500 From: Yvan Dutil X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Burke-Ward CC: Public SETI List , Stephane_dumas@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by seti1.setileague.org id VAA24902 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk Richard Burke-Ward a �crit : > > That's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit stream as the > > product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), and failed > > dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional image, and tried for a > > product of 3 primes, without success. It never occured to me that there > > were simulated message dropouts. So, I guess I'm not as clever as we're > > expecting ETI to be. > > Folks, human vision is a better patter-detector than mathematics! Why not > just try varying the page-width of the digit stream until a pattern emerges? > Takes about 3 minutes! Yes, the human brain is EXTREMELY poweerful at picking up patern. We we will have to keep this in mind in our program. > You'll find there are missing / extra digits in the stream - and also a very > obvious explanation (well, obvious after the event!) for why overall number > of digits is no help... I don't want to give too much away - play with it > yourselves - but that margin-setting tip should get you started in almost no > time. Yo know that the "primes factor product" formating has been prove to be wortheless by Carl Sagan in sometime around 1961! (cf Shklovskii & Sagan). Anyway, I am very glad to see that at least part of my error correcting scheme worked well. Yvan Dutil From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 19:42:45 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0P3gic17447; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id WAA28156 for public-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:35:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe140.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.133]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28138; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:34:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.61.247] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" , "john.elliott" , "setipublic" Cc: Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:34:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A527.40EFF5E0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 03:34:30.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[32E161D0:01C1A551] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A527.40EFF5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Even if the transmission does reach an ETI in bad shape from its long travels through the Milky Way galaxy, perhaps just the fact that it will be known as an artificial signal will be enough for those alien cultures. I know it would be for us. Not that I don't want it to arrive there as anything less than intact and readable, mind you.... Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. H. Paul Shuch Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:24 PM To: john.elliott; public@setileague.org Cc: rcf@setileague.org Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal At 06:59 PM 1/24/02 -0000, john.elliott wrote: > It was also reasonably obvious >that information had been simulated as lost, as the number of bits in the >stream is a prime number. That's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit stream as the product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), and failed dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional image, and tried for a product of 3 primes, without success. It never occured to me that there were simulated message dropouts. So, I guess I'm not as clever as we're expecting ETI to be. -------------------------------- H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D., CFII, FBIS Executive Director, The SETI League, Inc. 433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555 Little Ferry NJ 07643 USA voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771 n6tx@setileague.org www.setileague.org Project Argus station FN11LH "We Know We're Not Alone!" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A527.40EFF5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Even if the tr= ansmission does reach an ETI in bad shape from

its long travel= s through the Milky Way galaxy, perhaps just

the fact that it = will be known as an artificial signal will be

enough for those= alien cultures. I know it would be for us.

Not that I don't want it to arrive there as anything less

than intact and readable, mind you....

Lar= ry

----- Original Message -----
<= B>From: Dr. H. Paul Shuch

Se= nt: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:24 PM

To: john.elliott; public@setileague.org

Cc: rcf@setileague.org

Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal

At 06:59 PM 1/24/02 -0000, john.elliott wrote:

> = It was also reasonably obvious
>that information had been simulated= as lost, as the number of bits in the
>stream is a prime number.
That's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit st= ream as the
product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), a= nd failed
dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional im= age, and tried for a
product of 3 primes, without success. It ne= ver occured to me that there
were simulated message dropouts. So= , I guess I'm not as clever as we're
expecting ETI to be.
---------= -----------------------
H. Paul Shuch, Ph.D., CFII, FBIS
Executive = Director, The SETI League, Inc.
433 Liberty Street, PO Box 555
Litt= le Ferry NJ 07643 USA
voice (201) 641-1770; fax (201) 641-1771n6tx@setileague.org www.setileague.org
Project Argus sta= tion FN11LH

"We Know We're Not Alone!"

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A527.40EFF5E0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 24 22:38:02 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0P6c1c13428; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id BAA06377 for public-list; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:28:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from djwhome.demon.co.uk (root@djwhome.demon.co.uk [158.152.19.5]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06373 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from david@localhost) by djwhome.demon.co.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) id g0P6SZ316092 for public@setileague.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:28:35 GMT From: David Woolley Message-Id: <200201250628.g0P6SZ316092@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal To: public@setileague.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:28:35 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Richard Burke-Ward" at Jan 25, 2002 01:04:22 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk > You'll find there are missing / extra digits in the stream - and also a very I wonder if this is a realistic distortion as it should be easy to get a very accurate baud rate. Group delay variations might cause bits to be sampled at the wrong time, but in the long term I would expect no unknown net losses or gains. From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Jan 25 08:42:01 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0PGg0c00636; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:42:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id LAA04298 for public-list; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:32:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe162.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.155]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04288; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:31:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.192] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" , "volcor" Cc: "BioAstro" Subject: SETI public: Dr. Shuch's Tune in the Universe book reviewed at New Scientist Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:31:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C1A593.CC0E4F70" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 16:31:30.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE84A2D0:01C1A5BD] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C1A593.CC0E4F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dr. Paul Shuch's new book, Tune in the Universe, teaching you how to conduct your own radio SETI research, has been reviewed at New Scientist. You can read the review at this URL: http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opbooks.jsp?id=ns23279 You can also read more about Tune in the Universe here: http://www.setileague.org/press/pres0110.htm Larry ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C1A593.CC0E4F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dr. Paul Shuch= 's new book, Tune in the Universe, teaching

you how to conduct= your own radio SETI research, has been

reviewed at New Scien= tist.

You can read the review&nb= sp;at this URL:

http://www.newscientist.com/= opinion/opbooks.jsp?id=3Dns23279

You can also read mor= e about Tune in the Universe here:

http://www.setileague.org/= press/pres0110.htm

Larry

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------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C1A593.CC0E4F70-- From owner-public@setileague.org Fri Jan 25 18:24:10 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0Q2O9c29635; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id VAA00899 for public-list; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:12:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts15.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.3]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00895 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.228.216.237]) by tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020126021207.UCZ19101.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:12:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3C521023.36502AFF@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:10:43 -0500 From: Yvan Dutil X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Woolley CC: public@setileague.org Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal References: <200201250628.g0P6SZ316092@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by seti1.setileague.org id VAA00896 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk David Woolley a �crit : > > You'll find there are missing / extra digits in the stream - and also a very > > I wonder if this is a realistic distortion as it should be easy to get > a very accurate baud rate. Group delay variations might cause bits > to be sampled at the wrong time, but in the long term I would expect > no unknown net losses or gains. Only adding noise is not to far from the truth. Unless the signal is at low frequency, it will have to propage on very large distance until the scintillation and the scatering start to be an issue. I think the apropriate number for Evpatoria was 3 kpc before the scintillation become a serious problem. Anyway, the next test will be much more realistics. You will see in the next few months. Yvan Dutil From owner-public@setileague.org Sun Jan 27 22:27:45 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0S6Ric07785; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:27:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id BAA24727 for public-list; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:16:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24716 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from user ([144.135.25.81]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQMXPY00.0O4 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:22:46 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-136-150-126.qld.bigpond.net.au ([144.136.150.126]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 101/4935301); 28 Jan 2002 16:15:37 Message-ID: <030801c1a7c3$44e27e40$7e968890@user> From: "Noel" To: Subject: SETI public: Fw: article feedback via Website Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:16:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0305_01C1A817.166CFC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0305_01C1A817.166CFC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Noel=20 To: CookJanette@aol.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: Re: article feedback via Website Hello there Brian, My main concern was with the win radio product that mounts inside the=20 PC computer. Being so close to the "noise" of the operating computer=20 system meant that the possibility of a signal being injected into the=20 receiver by one of the many oscillators in the computer was a high=20 probability. Getting the receiver away from the computer as far as possible is a=20 good idea and using the winradio 1550e does just that. It is also a=20 good idea to be able to disable the AGC line in the receiver so as to let the receivers gain be as high as possible. This is advantageous as=20 it is possible that a strong signal on a different frequency could cause = the AGC to reduce the receivers gain and cause the receiver to operate=20 below its optimum level. Check with the manufacturer as to the ability=20 of controlling the AGC. Winradio also state that it is possible for the = user=20 to write their own software routines to interesing things like SETI. Anyone else have any comments to make??? Best of Luck. Regards Noel C. Welstead Volcor Brisbane Australia=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CookJanette@aol.com=20 To: nwelstead@seti.org.au=20 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:05 AM Subject: article feedback via Website I have just read your article re computer radios for use in seti = projects and note that it was written in 1998.=20 This was the route I was going about an Argus reciever as I am not a = radio enthusiast and do not have a commercial or base reciever.=20 I was going to use an external version Winradio the 1550e. Yours = comments would be most welcome.=20 Brian Cook=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0305_01C1A817.166CFC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Noel

To: CookJanette@aol.com

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:12 PM

Subject: Re: article feedback via Website

Hello there Brian,

My main concern was with the win radio = product that=20 mounts inside the

PC computer. Being so close to the = "noise" of=20 the operating computer

system meant that the possibility of a = signal being=20 injected into the

receiver by one of the many oscillators = in the=20 computer was a high

probability.

Getting the receiver away from the = computer as far=20 as possible is a

good idea and using the winradio 1550e = does just=20 that. It is also a

good idea to be able to disable the AGC = line in the=20 receiver so as to

let the receivers gain be as high as = possible. This=20 is advantageous as

it is possible that=20 a strong signal on a different frequency could cause

the AGC to reduce the receivers gain and cause the receiver to operate =

below = its optimum level. Check with the = manufacturer as=20 to the ability

of controlling the AGC. Winradio also = state that it=20 is possible for the user

to write their own software routines to = interesing=20 things like SETI.

Anyone else have any comments to=20 make???

Best of Luck.

Regards Noel C. Welstead

Volcor Brisbane = Australia

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 CookJanette@aol.com

To: nwelstead@seti.org.au

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 = 7:05=20 AM

Subject: article feedback via=20 Website

I have just = read your=20 article re computer radios for use in seti projects and note that it = was=20 written in 1998.

This was the route I was going about an Argus = reciever as I am not a radio enthusiast and do not have a commercial = or base=20 reciever.

I was going to use an external version Winradio the = 1550e.=20 Yours comments would be most welcome.

Brian Cook=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0305_01C1A817.166CFC80-- From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Jan 30 11:54:19 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0UJsIc03881; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id OAA18166 for public-list; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe139.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.132]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18159 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:13:35 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.95] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: Overview on the question of life beyond Earth Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:13:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C1A998.49F746F0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 19:13:35.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[36D84FE0:01C1A9C2] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C1A998.49F746F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * 5 Great Cosmic Mysteries: Is There Life Beyond Earth? http://www.space.com/news/cosmic_life_020129-1.html It's an amazing, electrifying, even terrifying feeling: Stare into a star= ry night sky and ask yourself if someone, or something, might be staring = back. Just the thought is enough to make the hair on the back of your nec= k stand up. But even now, after centuries of wondering, and decades of ac= tively looking, humans still don't know the answer. ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C1A998.49F746F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

* 5 Great Cosm= ic Mysteries: Is There Life Beyond Earth?

ht= tp://www.space.com/news/cosmic_life_020129-1.html

It's an amazing,= electrifying, even terrifying feeling: Stare into a starry night sky and= ask yourself if someone, or something, might be staring back. Just the t= hought is enough to make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. But = even now, after centuries of wondering, and decades of actively looking, = humans still don't know the answer.

------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C1A998.49F746F0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Wed Jan 30 17:25:48 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0V1Plc28697; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id UAA18374 for public-list; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:09:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe155.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.148]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18351; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:57:45 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.83] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "BioAstro" , "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: 30 billion Earths and life in the Martian dunes? Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:57:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1A9C8.5E28A580" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 00:57:45.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B9091B0:01C1A9F2] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1A9C8.5E28A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thirty billion Earth-type worlds in our galaxy alone? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/jupiter_typical_020128.html Are those boulders or bushes in the Martian dunes? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_blotches_020130.html ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1A9C8.5E28A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thirty billion= Earth-type worlds in our galaxy alone?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/jupiter_typica= l_020128.html

Are those boulders= or bushes in the Martian dunes?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_blotches_02013= 0.html

------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1A9C8.5E28A580-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 31 08:31:09 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0VGV9c29751; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id LAA26452 for public-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:18:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe133.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.126]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26447 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:17:29 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.164] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "Yvan Dutil" , "setipublic" Cc: Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:17:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1AA48.D6343F00" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 16:17:29.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[C79FB210:01C1AA72] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1AA48.D6343F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you explain why the prime numbering formatting is useless? And does it really go back to Sagan in 1961? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Yvan Dutil Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:36 AM To: public@setileague.org Cc: Stephane_dumas@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal Actually, the use of primes number for the format is almost useless. I am always surprise that this idea had survived up to now. Yvan "Dr. H. Paul Shuch" a =E9crit : > At 06:59 PM 1/24/02 -0000, john.elliott wrote: > > > It was also reasonably obvious > >that information had been simulated as lost, as the number of bits in = the > >stream is a prime number. > > That's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit stream as t= he > product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), and failed > dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional image, and tried f= or a > product of 3 primes, without success. It never occured to me that ther= e > were simulated message dropouts. So, I guess I'm not as clever as we'r= e > expecting ETI to be. ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1AA48.D6343F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can you explai= n why the prime numbering formatting

is useless? And doe= s it really go back to Sagan in 1961?

Larry<= /DIV>

----- Original Message -----
F= rom: Yvan Dutil

Sent: Th= ursday, January 31, 2002 2:36 AM

To: public@setileague.org

C= c: Stephane_dumas@sympatico.ca

= Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated signal

= Actually, the use of primes number for the format is almost useless. I am=
always surprise that this idea had survived up to now.

Yvan
"Dr. H. Paul Shuch" a =E9crit :

> At 06:59 PM 1/24/02 -000= 0, john.elliott wrote:
>
> > It was also reasonably obviou= s
> >that information had been simulated as lost, as the number = of bits in the
> >stream is a prime number.
>
> That= 's what tripped me up, John! I tried to factor the bit stream as th= e
> product of two prime numbers (so as to set up a matrix), and fa= iled
> dismally. Then I figured it must be a 3-dimensional im= age, and tried for a
> product of 3 primes, without success. = It never occured to me that there
> were simulated message dropouts= . So, I guess I'm not as clever as we're
> expecting ETI to b= e.

------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C1AA48.D6343F00-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 31 08:34:17 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0VGYGc06743; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id LAA26564 for public-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:20:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe53.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.133]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26541; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:19:23 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.65.164] From: "LARRY KLAES" To: "BioAstro" , "setipublic" Subject: SETI public: Looking for life light years away Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:19:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C1AA49.1D29FCB0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 16:19:23.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BD0F890:01C1AA73] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C1AA49.1D29FCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EXO WORLDS Looking for Life's Imprint -- Light Years Away http://www.spacedaily.com/news/extrasolar-02b.html Pasadena (JPL) Jan 28, 2002 - "Are we alone in the universe?" Short of re= ceiving a convenient radio transmission from another civilization, how ca= n we find out if a distant world harbors some form of life? See also JPL's Planet Quest Web site at this URL: http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/ ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C1AA49.1D29FCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

EXO WORLDS
=
Looking for Life's Imprint -- Light Years Away

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/extrasolar-02b.html

Pasadena= (JPL) Jan 28, 2002 - "Are we alone in the universe?" Short of receiving = a convenient radio transmission from another civilization, how can we fin= d out if a distant world harbors some form of life?

See al= so JPL's Planet Quest Web site at this URL:

= http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/

<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C1AA49.1D29FCB0-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 31 09:57:33 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0VHvWc20835; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id MAA00907 for public-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:46:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe43.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.123]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00897 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:46:21 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.16.193.240] From: "Lee Kitchens" To: "Public" Subject: SETI public: Simulated ET Message Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:46:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1AA44.9B23D780" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 17:46:21.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[3191C5D0:01C1AA7F] Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1AA44.9B23D780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, here's the dumb question of the week, and it concerns all the ema= il about a simulated message. I found the message and started printing i= t...which was a mistake. After nearly running out of printer paper, I fi= nally got the printer stopped. Does anyone know of a web site that expla= ins the procedure for analyzing a text stream of Os and 1s? How do I tra= nsfer the message to my Word software? Once in Word, do I just sit and l= ook and all the Os and 1s until I go blind :). Do I somehow transfer the= text into programming language and then use some kind of software to ana= lyze it? Is there an "Analyzing Text Data for Dummies"? Thanks, Lee. ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1AA44.9B23D780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all, here's= the dumb question of the week, and it concerns all the email about a sim= ulated message. I found the message and started printing it...which= was a mistake. After nearly running out of printer paper, I finall= y got the printer stopped. Does anyone know of a web site that expl= ains the procedure for analyzing a text stream of Os and 1s? How do= I transfer the message to my Word software? Once in Word, do I jus= t sit and look and all the Os and 1s until I go blind :). Do I some= how transfer the text into programming language and then use some kind of= software to analyze it? Is there an "Analyzing Text Data for Dummi= es"? Thanks, Lee.

------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1AA44.9B23D780-- From owner-public@setileague.org Thu Jan 31 11:40:30 2002 Received: from seti1.setileague.org ([204.176.91.10]) by Sentry.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0VJeTc20959; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id OAA06001 for public-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:33:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: seti1.setileague.org: majordom set sender to owner-public@seti1.setileague.org using -f Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by seti1.setileague.org (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05991 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from host217-35-4-95.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.4.95]) by protactinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16WMxT-0002b3-00 for public@setileague.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:19 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:22 +0000 Subject: Re: SETI public: Simulated ET Message From: Richard Burke-Ward To: Public SETI List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3095350402_609746" Sender: owner-public@setileague.org Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3095350402_609746 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Dear all, >=20 > Lee and Larry both had questions. Here are a couple of pointers, purely f= rom > my own experience, not from knowledge... >=20 > LARRY: Can you explain why the prime numbering formatting is useless? >=20 Because the message will (a) not be detected from digit one of transmission 1; and (b) will cycle or repeat. The net result is that the overall number of digits *received* will bear no relationship to the number of digits transmitted =AD which means no one could ever use the total number of digits as part of the =8Ccode=B9. > LEE: How do I transfer the message to my Word software? Once in Word, do= I > just sit and look and all the Os and 1s until I go blind :). Do I someho= w > transfer the text into programming language and then use some kind of > software to analyze it? Is there an "Analyzing Text Data for Dummies"? >=20 > If you have the .txt document, then you just need to fire up MS Word, cho= ose > File=3D>Open, then navigate to the document. If it doesn=B9t appear, use the > =B3File Type=B2 selector to choose =B3All Files=B2. that should do it. Failing th= at, > Lee, I=B9ll email you it in Word. Get in touch again. >=20 > The =8Chow to=B9 bit... Well, what I did was duck the whole programming > question, and simply move the margin indicator backwards and forwards unt= il > a pattern emerged... At first it produced diagonal lines, which meant tha= t > each line was slightly offset from the one above / below =AD but at a > particular magic number of digits across, the pattern emerged. Ironically= , > given Yvan=B9s last note and the one from Larry below, the horizontal numbe= r > is prime =AD but the vertical number is variable... >=20 > I used a word search to change zeros to spaces, and ones to blobs. You ne= ed > to make sure you are using a proportional font =AD Courier is good =AD becaus= e > otherwise the spaces and blobs will take up different widths on each line= . > Then adjust font size and line spacing to suit. >=20 > What=B9s really inconvenient is that, for me at least, the formatting would= n=B9t > stay still =AD i.e., every time I identified a =8Cpage break=B9, and put a > carriage return in, the formatting would go up the spout. I got round thi= s > by writing a macro which moved x spaces to the right, then put in a carri= age > return. Getting the message format took minutes =AD putting in carriage > returns takes FOR EVER!!! >=20 > This should give you the document in a usable format. Good luck, Lee! Sho= ut > if you=B9re still struggling. >=20 > With best wishes, >=20 > Richard --B_3095350402_609746 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: SETI public: Simulated ET Message

Dear all,

Lee and Larry both had questions. Here are a couple of pointers, purely fro= m
my own experience, not from knowledge...

LARRY: Can you explain why the prime numbering formatting is useless?

Because the message will (a) not b= e detected from digit one of transmission
1; and (b) will cycle or repeat. The net result is that the overall number =
of digits *received* will bear no relationship to the number of digi= ts
transmitted – which means no one could ever use the total number of d= igits
as part of the ‘code’.

LEE: How do I transfer the message = to my Word software? Once in Word, do I
just sit and look and all the Os and 1s until I go blind :). Do I som= ehow
transfer the text into programming language and then use some kind of
software to analyze it? Is there an "Analyzing Text Data for Dum= mies"?

If you have the .txt document, then you just need to fire up MS Word, choos= e
File=3D>Open, then navigate to the document. If it doesn’t appear, u= se the
“File Type” selector to choose “All Files”. that sh= ould do it. Failing that,
Lee, I’ll email you it in Word. Get in touch again.

The ‘how to’ bit... Well, what I did was duck the whole program= ming
question, and simply move the margin indicator backwards and forwards until=
a pattern emerged... At first it produced diagonal lines, which meant that =
each line was slightly offset from the one above / below – but at a <= BR> particular magic number of digits across, the pattern emerged. Ironically, =
given Yvan’s last note and the one from Larry below, the horizontal n= umber
is prime – but the vertical number is variable...

I used a word search to change zeros to spaces, and ones to blobs. You need=
to make sure you are using a proportional font – Courier is good R= 11; because
otherwise the spaces and blobs will take up different widths on each line. =
Then adjust font size and line spacing to suit.

What’s really inconvenient is that, for me at least, the formatting w= ouldn’t
stay still – i.e., every time I identified a ‘page break’= , and put a
carriage return in, the formatting would go up the spout. I got round this =
by writing a macro which moved x spaces to the right, then put in a carriag= e
return. Getting the message format took minutes – putting in carriage=
returns takes FOR EVER!!!

This should give you the document in a usable format. Good luck, Lee! Shout=
if you’re still struggling.

With best wishes,

Richard

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January 21, 20= 02

Gordon J. Stanley Dies at 80; Pinpointed R= adio Waves From Space

By KENNETH CHANG

= 3DG ordon J. Stanley, a pioneer in radio as= tronomy who discovered incredibly powerful sources of radio waves in oute= r space, died on Dec. 17 in Monterey, Calif. He was 80.

The cause = of death was complications from progressive supranuclear palsy, his famil= y said.

Born in Cambridge, New Zealand, Mr. Stanley, an engineer b= y training, was among a group of scientists who adapted radar equipment l= eft from World War II for observing radio signals from the skies.

= Most astronomers presumed, correctly, that most radio noise was generated= by hot clouds of gas floating in interstellar space, but they also detec= ted puzzling bright spots.

Because their antennas were small compa= red with the giant dishes of later radio telescopes, they could not ident= ify exactly where the signals were coming from, as if the radio pictures = were too blurry.

From a former radar station on a cliff overlookin= g Sydney, Mr. Stanley and his colleague John G. Bolton used a trick to ho= me in on the bright spots that were producing the strong radio waves.

Soon after one of the radio sources rose above the horizon, they poin= ted the antenna at it.

The vast expanse of the Pacific to the east= acted as a giant mirror, and some of the radio waves bounced off the wat= er before traveling to the antenna. The two beams of radio waves =E2=80=94= one coming directly from the sky, the other reflecting off the water =E2= =80=94 produced an interference pattern like the intersecting rings of ra= indrops hitting a pond. That allowed the scientists to better determine t= he size and position of the radio source.

To their surprise, the s= ource was not diffuse like a gas cloud but small and compact like a star.= The universe, it appeared, contained tremendously powerful radio transmi= tters.

"It is difficult to comprehend the emotional impact of an o= bservation which took us from the partially explicable solar system and g= alactic radio emission phenomena, into the realms of phenomena with inexp= licably high energy outputs," Mr. Stanley wrote in 1994, in a tribute to = Mr. Bolton, who died in 1993. "Neither of us ever approached such an emot= ional high again in our work."

Later research showed that two of t= he radio sources were actually distant galaxies, the radio waves generate= d by gas falling into giant black holes. Another radio source turned out = to be the Crab Nebula, the remnants of an exploded star.

In 1955, = Mr. Stanley followed Mr. Bolton to the California Institute of Technology= , where they built the Owens Valley Radio Observatory. Mr. Stanley was th= e observatory's director from 1961 to 1975.

Mr. Stanley, who lived= in Monterey, is survived by his wife, Helen; two daughters, Luise Phelps= of Santa Barbara, Calif., and Teresa Stanley of Arcata, Calif.; a son, S= tephen, of Issaquah, Wash.; and three grandchildren.