From: LARRY KLAES (ljk4@msn.com)
Date: Fri May 17 2002 - 07:58:25 PDT
My feelings on Advanced ETI these days are that such beings
would be either a combination of biological and technological
systems working in synch, or have become fully technological.
See here for an example of what I mean:
http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/index.html
Would such beings want to talk to us? Perhaps this is one
answer as to why we don't find the galaxy humming with
alien chatter.
This is a good cue to ask: Are any SETI League members
conducting Optical SETI at present? If so, can you please
provide details of your efforts? Thanks!
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: walt_williams@setv.org
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:52 AM
To: setipublic
Subject: SETI public: public: holographic compression/decompression
All of this stuff is great...Its too bad ET probably don't use radio
for intergalaxy, interstellar communications....last I heard,
too slow for the distances involved. Seemingly, same reason
community disallows visitation, can't get here, why look? Radio,
is nearly unusable between Earth and Mars or between our (own) planets
in 'our' solar system. Using same (defective?) logic, why 'listen'?
Perhaps ET have modified their own 'DNA'/regeneration
code/cloning/manufacturing? speculating that 'they' in some remotely
recognizable manner resemble Human biology. I don't necessarily
intend that 'they' appear as we do, but then again, we exist in this
form, so why not? Be that as it may, perhaps they 'live' much longer
than we do, or are, perhaps, immortal? Then, SETI may get its wish,
and receive a signal, again, speculating that they are as
consciously/technically constrained as we are in our ~60yr/life-span
evolution, and have evolved in some similar manner with and
commensurate with RADIO development?
It would be wonderful (perhaps naively dangerous) to detect ETI
signature, either way, it would be exciting..
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:47:43 -0400
From: Yvan Dutil <yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca>
Reply-to: yvan.dutil@sympatico.ca
To: Ron Blue <rcb5@msn.com>
Cc: setipublic <public@setileague.org>
Subject: Re: SETI public: holographic compression/decompression
Well, I dont think you can beat the Shannon theorem. In its natural
definition, holographic method means sending an the Fourrier transform
of the signal instead of the signal itself.
Yvan Dutil
Ron Blue a écrit :
> A new problem we may encounter when receiving an ET signal. There is
> the possibility that after a header file telling us what reference
> frequencies to use for holographic decompression using a gaussian
> panassociative neuro net that the rest of the message would be
> holographic. Since the holographic message would be longer than the
> header file, we may observe the following characteristics in the
> signal. Two carrier signals preferably out of phase with each other
> with a holographic informational overwrite. We would read it as noise,
> but careful analysis should reveal that the noise is written on seven
> or more sub frequencies overwritten on the two reference frequencies
> that are unrelated to each other. The header file should be sent in
> the clear, because otherwise this would be a holographic encrypted
> message that would be difficult to impossible to decode. The beauty of
> the system is that information would be redundant and self-repairing.
> We could in fact download in a very short time a complete alien
> knowledge base sent by holographic compression. Sorry, I can not give
> you more technical information at this time.Ron Blue
>
> http://turn.to.ai (USA only)
> http://home.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/ronaldblue/index.html
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