archiv~1.txt: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer

Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer

mbernstein@c0t.org
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:46:20 -0600 (EST)

Yes, but what if there is some other fundamental type of wave that
"aliens" broadcast with? Until Maxwell's laws, we had no ideas about
electromagnetic waves. What about anti-matter waves? What I'm getting at
is that people may be pouring a lot of money into something, that for one,
is extremely limited in total spectrum when compared to the other possible
ways of transmission. Who says aliens will be broadcasting anyways? Why
would they care about broadcsating to us. We're assuming the aliens are
much like us, in that they are curious , etc. We obviously won't be able
to understand an alien til we meet one, i dunno,.,.,it just seems that
people aren't using all of the options, and re-using methods that have
yielded nothing over 30 years of scanning.

michael bernstein
mbernstein@c0t.org

i never said I was against scanning though,.,I just think we need to
explore other methods.

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Larry Klaes wrote:

> Yes, see Dr. Stuart A. Kingsley's Columbus Optical
> SETI (COSETI) Observatory for details:
>
> http://www.coseti.org/
>
> Dr. Kingsley is now The SETI League's Optical SETI
> Committee Chair:
>
> http://www.setileague.org/admin/kingsley.htm
>
> Other SETI groups are now also pursuing Optical SETI:
>
> http://www.coseti.org/otheropt.htm
>
> For even more methods of searching for ETI, see this paper
> at either of these URLs:
>
> http://www.coseti.org/lemarch1.htm
>
> http://www.setiquest.com/lemav/lemav0n0.htm
>
> Larry
>
>
> At 09:37 PM 03/22/1999 -0600, Michael Bernstein wrote:
>
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> >
> >I totally agree with you. Has anyone ever thought of others ways
> >outside of radio waves period? Radio waves seem so primitive in many
> >ways, that an extremely intellegent race might not use them. I
> >realize many things emit them, but it is extremeley hard to detect
> >things of that nature. Also, I would like to address that most
> >scientists believe highly intelligent races most likely are
> >non-hostile. The thing that they are forgetting, is that aliens
> >aren't necessarily logical in their actions. Humans are a great
> >example. We are emotional. We do rash things. Who says that aliens
> >aren't the same in nature? That could pose a serious threat in many
> >ways.
> >
> >Michael Bernstein
> >mbernstein@c0t.org
> >Founder - Children of Technology Labs
> >
> >
> >(as Dr. Shuch has previously stated, "is about microwave search
> >for ET")
> >
> >Regarding Dr. Seth Shostak:
> >
> >He said nothing, (a gentleman :) and what was there to
> >say? My subject regarded the growing need to perform scientific
> >Near Earth Studies which is counter to the SETI-Institute's
> >search model. He could deny the possibility, but there is
> >growing awareness in NASA:
> >
> >http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/BPPWrkshp_STAIF_PrePrnt.htm#Refe
> >rences
> >
> >and formerly:
> >
> >http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/
> >
> >and other scientific groups that Earth, maybe able to solve some
> >of the heretofore thought impossible engineering problems which
> >circumvented speculations about great-distance-travel and the
> >new awareness allow new speculative thought that Earth could be
> >visited by an engineering ET specie. Just because Earth is yet
> >unable to visit extra-solar-system bodies does not preclude the
> >possibility that others (ET) can not.
> >
> >Actually, to be precise, I was making comment about,
> >(in which I worded a question to no one in particular) a paper
> >having just been presented by Dr. Allen Tough. It was
> >interesting as well as thought provoking --timely!
> >
> >During my comment, I turned around and presented my
> >comment/question in general to the audience behind me, (a
> >courtesy) as I was in the front and specifically to Seth Shostak
> >(out of respect, as he is the iconic Father of SETI-Institute
> >and perceived expert in all things scientifically ET) who was in
> >the row behind me one or two seats to the left.
> >
> >Dr. Shostak is very knowledgeable, but seems to be intransitive
> >to other possible search models?
> >
> >The above text is my personal opinion --I am not a
> >representative of the SETI-L, indeed, I am not a formal
> >member of the organization. I whole heartedly support the ideas
> >and goals of the SETI-League and the SETI-Institute. However, I
> >do feel strongly, that we must as a scientific community whose
> >base goal is the scientific search for technical ET, be open
> >minded and willing to pursue other possible search.
> >
> >Best Wishes,
> >
> >Walt Williams, 99.03.22
> >
> >=================================================
> >
> >- - ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:46 -0500
> >To: seti@sni.net
> >From: Larry Klaes <lklaes@bbn.com>
> >Subject: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid
> >
> >At 06:07 PM 03/21/1999 -0800, Walt Williams wrote:
> >
> >>I asked Seth recently, why the world microwave SETI community is
> >>afraid to send messages? "presumably they can't get here, so
> >>what does it matter?"
> >
> >So what was Seth's response to your question?
> >
> >Larry
> >- -----Original Message-----
> >From: Walt Williams <dfheli@pacificnet.net>
> >To: seti@sni.net <seti@sni.net>
> >Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 4:12 AM
> >Subject: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer
> >
> >
> >Hello Larry,
> >
> >(Chuspa!)
> >
> >(as Dr. Shuch has previously stated, "is about microwave search
> >for ET")
> >
> >Regarding Dr. Seth Shostak:
> >
> >He said nothing, (a gentleman :) and what was there to
> >say? My subject regarded the growing need to perform scientific
> >Near Earth Studies which is counter to the SETI-Institute's
> >search model. He could deny the possibility, but there is
> >growing awareness in NASA:
> >
> >http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/BPPWrkshp_STAIF_PrePrnt.htm#Refe
> >rences
> >
> >and formerly:
> >
> >http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/
> >
> >and other scientific groups that Earth, maybe able to solve some
> >of the heretofore thought impossible engineering problems which
> >circumvented speculations about great-distance-travel and the
> >new awareness allow new speculative thought that Earth could be
> >visited by an engineering ET specie. Just because Earth is yet
> >unable to visit extra-solar-system bodies does not preclude the
> >possibility that others (ET) can not.
> >
> >Actually, to be precise, I was making comment about,
> >(in which I worded a question to no one in particular) a paper
> >having just been presented by Dr. Allen Tough. It was
> >interesting as well as thought provoking --timely!
> >
> >During my comment, I turned around and presented my
> >comment/question in general to the audience behind me, (a
> >courtesy) as I was in the front and specifically to Seth Shostak
> >(out of respect, as he is the iconic Father of SETI-Institute
> >and perceived expert in all things scientifically ET) who was in
> >the row behind me one or two seats to the left.
> >
> >Dr. Shostak is very knowledgeable, but seems to be intransitive
> >to other possible search models?
> >
> >The above text is my personal opinion --I am not a
> >representative of the SETI-L, indeed, I am not a formal
> >member of the organization. I whole heartedly support the ideas
> >and goals of the SETI-League and the SETI-Institute. However, I
> >do feel strongly, that we must as a scientific community whose
> >base goal is the scientific search for technical ET, be open
> >minded and willing to pursue other possible search.
> >
> >Best Wishes,
> >
> >Walt Williams, 99.03.22
> >
> >=================================================
> >
> >- ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:46 -0500
> >To: seti@sni.net
> >From: Larry Klaes <lklaes@bbn.com>
> >Subject: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid
> >
> >At 06:07 PM 03/21/1999 -0800, Walt Williams wrote:
> >
> >>I asked Seth recently, why the world microwave SETI community is
> >>afraid to send messages? "presumably they can't get here, so
> >>what does it matter?"
> >
> >So what was Seth's response to your question?
> >
> >Larry
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