archiv~1.txt: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer

Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer

Larry Klaes ( lklaes@bbn.com )
Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:58:57 -0500

Yes, see Dr. Stuart A. Kingsley's Columbus Optical
SETI (COSETI) Observatory for details:

http://www.coseti.org/

Dr. Kingsley is now The SETI League's Optical SETI
Committee Chair:

http://www.setileague.org/admin/kingsley.htm

Other SETI groups are now also pursuing Optical SETI:

http://www.coseti.org/otheropt.htm

For even more methods of searching for ETI, see this paper
at either of these URLs:

http://www.coseti.org/lemarch1.htm

http://www.setiquest.com/lemav/lemav0n0.htm

Larry

At 09:37 PM 03/22/1999 -0600, Michael Bernstein wrote:

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>I totally agree with you. Has anyone ever thought of others ways
>outside of radio waves period? Radio waves seem so primitive in many
>ways, that an extremely intellegent race might not use them. I
>realize many things emit them, but it is extremeley hard to detect
>things of that nature. Also, I would like to address that most
>scientists believe highly intelligent races most likely are
>non-hostile. The thing that they are forgetting, is that aliens
>aren't necessarily logical in their actions. Humans are a great
>example. We are emotional. We do rash things. Who says that aliens
>aren't the same in nature? That could pose a serious threat in many
>ways.
>
>Michael Bernstein
>mbernstein@c0t.org
>Founder - Children of Technology Labs
>
>
>(as Dr. Shuch has previously stated, "is about microwave search
>for ET")
>
>Regarding Dr. Seth Shostak:
>
>He said nothing, (a gentleman :) and what was there to
>say? My subject regarded the growing need to perform scientific
>Near Earth Studies which is counter to the SETI-Institute's
>search model. He could deny the possibility, but there is
>growing awareness in NASA:
>
>http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/BPPWrkshp_STAIF_PrePrnt.htm#Refe
>rences
>
>and formerly:
>
>http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/
>
>and other scientific groups that Earth, maybe able to solve some
>of the heretofore thought impossible engineering problems which
>circumvented speculations about great-distance-travel and the
>new awareness allow new speculative thought that Earth could be
>visited by an engineering ET specie. Just because Earth is yet
>unable to visit extra-solar-system bodies does not preclude the
>possibility that others (ET) can not.
>
>Actually, to be precise, I was making comment about,
>(in which I worded a question to no one in particular) a paper
>having just been presented by Dr. Allen Tough. It was
>interesting as well as thought provoking --timely!
>
>During my comment, I turned around and presented my
>comment/question in general to the audience behind me, (a
>courtesy) as I was in the front and specifically to Seth Shostak
>(out of respect, as he is the iconic Father of SETI-Institute
>and perceived expert in all things scientifically ET) who was in
>the row behind me one or two seats to the left.
>
>Dr. Shostak is very knowledgeable, but seems to be intransitive
>to other possible search models?
>
>The above text is my personal opinion --I am not a
>representative of the SETI-L, indeed, I am not a formal
>member of the organization. I whole heartedly support the ideas
>and goals of the SETI-League and the SETI-Institute. However, I
>do feel strongly, that we must as a scientific community whose
>base goal is the scientific search for technical ET, be open
>minded and willing to pursue other possible search.
>
>Best Wishes,
>
>Walt Williams, 99.03.22
>
>=================================================
>
>- - ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:46 -0500
>To: seti@sni.net
>From: Larry Klaes <lklaes@bbn.com>
>Subject: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid
>
>At 06:07 PM 03/21/1999 -0800, Walt Williams wrote:
>
>>I asked Seth recently, why the world microwave SETI community is
>>afraid to send messages? "presumably they can't get here, so
>>what does it matter?"
>
>So what was Seth's response to your question?
>
>Larry
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Walt Williams <dfheli@pacificnet.net>
>To: seti@sni.net <seti@sni.net>
>Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 4:12 AM
>Subject: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer
>
>
>Hello Larry,
>
>(Chuspa!)
>
>(as Dr. Shuch has previously stated, "is about microwave search
>for ET")
>
>Regarding Dr. Seth Shostak:
>
>He said nothing, (a gentleman :) and what was there to
>say? My subject regarded the growing need to perform scientific
>Near Earth Studies which is counter to the SETI-Institute's
>search model. He could deny the possibility, but there is
>growing awareness in NASA:
>
>http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/BPPWrkshp_STAIF_PrePrnt.htm#Refe
>rences
>
>and formerly:
>
>http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/
>
>and other scientific groups that Earth, maybe able to solve some
>of the heretofore thought impossible engineering problems which
>circumvented speculations about great-distance-travel and the
>new awareness allow new speculative thought that Earth could be
>visited by an engineering ET specie. Just because Earth is yet
>unable to visit extra-solar-system bodies does not preclude the
>possibility that others (ET) can not.
>
>Actually, to be precise, I was making comment about,
>(in which I worded a question to no one in particular) a paper
>having just been presented by Dr. Allen Tough. It was
>interesting as well as thought provoking --timely!
>
>During my comment, I turned around and presented my
>comment/question in general to the audience behind me, (a
>courtesy) as I was in the front and specifically to Seth Shostak
>(out of respect, as he is the iconic Father of SETI-Institute
>and perceived expert in all things scientifically ET) who was in
>the row behind me one or two seats to the left.
>
>Dr. Shostak is very knowledgeable, but seems to be intransitive
>to other possible search models?
>
>The above text is my personal opinion --I am not a
>representative of the SETI-L, indeed, I am not a formal
>member of the organization. I whole heartedly support the ideas
>and goals of the SETI-League and the SETI-Institute. However, I
>do feel strongly, that we must as a scientific community whose
>base goal is the scientific search for technical ET, be open
>minded and willing to pursue other possible search.
>
>Best Wishes,
>
>Walt Williams, 99.03.22
>
>=================================================
>
>- ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:46 -0500
>To: seti@sni.net
>From: Larry Klaes <lklaes@bbn.com>
>Subject: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid
>
>At 06:07 PM 03/21/1999 -0800, Walt Williams wrote:
>
>>I asked Seth recently, why the world microwave SETI community is
>>afraid to send messages? "presumably they can't get here, so
>>what does it matter?"
>
>So what was Seth's response to your question?
>
>Larry
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