archiv~1.txt: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer

Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer

Michael Bernstein ( (no email) )
Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:37:47 -0600

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I totally agree with you. Has anyone ever thought of others ways
outside of radio waves period? Radio waves seem so primitive in many
ways, that an extremely intellegent race might not use them. I
realize many things emit them, but it is extremeley hard to detect
things of that nature. Also, I would like to address that most
scientists believe highly intelligent races most likely are
non-hostile. The thing that they are forgetting, is that aliens
aren't necessarily logical in their actions. Humans are a great
example. We are emotional. We do rash things. Who says that aliens
aren't the same in nature? That could pose a serious threat in many
ways.

Michael Bernstein
mbernstein@c0t.org
Founder - Children of Technology Labs

(as Dr. Shuch has previously stated, "is about microwave search
for ET")

Regarding Dr. Seth Shostak:

He said nothing, (a gentleman :) and what was there to
say? My subject regarded the growing need to perform scientific
Near Earth Studies which is counter to the SETI-Institute's
search model. He could deny the possibility, but there is
growing awareness in NASA:

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/BPPWrkshp_STAIF_PrePrnt.htm#Refe
rences

and formerly:

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/

and other scientific groups that Earth, maybe able to solve some
of the heretofore thought impossible engineering problems which
circumvented speculations about great-distance-travel and the
new awareness allow new speculative thought that Earth could be
visited by an engineering ET specie. Just because Earth is yet
unable to visit extra-solar-system bodies does not preclude the
possibility that others (ET) can not.

Actually, to be precise, I was making comment about,
(in which I worded a question to no one in particular) a paper
having just been presented by Dr. Allen Tough. It was
interesting as well as thought provoking --timely!

During my comment, I turned around and presented my
comment/question in general to the audience behind me, (a
courtesy) as I was in the front and specifically to Seth Shostak
(out of respect, as he is the iconic Father of SETI-Institute
and perceived expert in all things scientifically ET) who was in
the row behind me one or two seats to the left.

Dr. Shostak is very knowledgeable, but seems to be intransitive
to other possible search models?

The above text is my personal opinion --I am not a
representative of the SETI-L, indeed, I am not a formal
member of the organization. I whole heartedly support the ideas
and goals of the SETI-League and the SETI-Institute. However, I
do feel strongly, that we must as a scientific community whose
base goal is the scientific search for technical ET, be open
minded and willing to pursue other possible search.

Best Wishes,

Walt Williams, 99.03.22

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:46 -0500
To: seti@sni.net
From: Larry Klaes <lklaes@bbn.com>
Subject: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid

At 06:07 PM 03/21/1999 -0800, Walt Williams wrote:

>I asked Seth recently, why the world microwave SETI community is
>afraid to send messages? "presumably they can't get here, so
>what does it matter?"

So what was Seth's response to your question?

Larry
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From: Walt Williams <dfheli@pacificnet.net>
To: seti@sni.net <seti@sni.net>
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 4:12 AM
Subject: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid & a Answer

Hello Larry,

(Chuspa!)

(as Dr. Shuch has previously stated, "is about microwave search
for ET")

Regarding Dr. Seth Shostak:

He said nothing, (a gentleman :) and what was there to
say? My subject regarded the growing need to perform scientific
Near Earth Studies which is counter to the SETI-Institute's
search model. He could deny the possibility, but there is
growing awareness in NASA:

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/BPPWrkshp_STAIF_PrePrnt.htm#Refe
rences

and formerly:

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/

and other scientific groups that Earth, maybe able to solve some
of the heretofore thought impossible engineering problems which
circumvented speculations about great-distance-travel and the
new awareness allow new speculative thought that Earth could be
visited by an engineering ET specie. Just because Earth is yet
unable to visit extra-solar-system bodies does not preclude the
possibility that others (ET) can not.

Actually, to be precise, I was making comment about,
(in which I worded a question to no one in particular) a paper
having just been presented by Dr. Allen Tough. It was
interesting as well as thought provoking --timely!

During my comment, I turned around and presented my
comment/question in general to the audience behind me, (a
courtesy) as I was in the front and specifically to Seth Shostak
(out of respect, as he is the iconic Father of SETI-Institute
and perceived expert in all things scientifically ET) who was in
the row behind me one or two seats to the left.

Dr. Shostak is very knowledgeable, but seems to be intransitive
to other possible search models?

The above text is my personal opinion --I am not a
representative of the SETI-L, indeed, I am not a formal
member of the organization. I whole heartedly support the ideas
and goals of the SETI-League and the SETI-Institute. However, I
do feel strongly, that we must as a scientific community whose
base goal is the scientific search for technical ET, be open
minded and willing to pursue other possible search.

Best Wishes,

Walt Williams, 99.03.22

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- ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:46 -0500
To: seti@sni.net
From: Larry Klaes <lklaes@bbn.com>
Subject: Re: SETI-L: Everybody may be afraid

At 06:07 PM 03/21/1999 -0800, Walt Williams wrote:

>I asked Seth recently, why the world microwave SETI community is
>afraid to send messages? "presumably they can't get here, so
>what does it matter?"

So what was Seth's response to your question?

Larry
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