archive: Re: SETI Yet another hair-brained-antenna-idea?

Re: SETI Yet another hair-brained-antenna-idea?

rtyndall@juno.com
Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:40:42 EDT

On Sun, 6 Sep 98 20:04:36 +0100 Richard Burke-Ward
<richard@burke-ward.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Rich Tyndall wrote:
>
>>Some Probe theory. Some have estimated that during the next 10
>Million
>>years, probes
>>(or manned star ships) from Earth could travel to most parts of the
>Milky
>>Way. That is,
>>if they can fly at 0.1 the speed of light. (Plus or minus a few
>million
>>years for variations in
>>propulsion technology)..
>>
>>Paradoxically speaking, during in the last 10 Billion years, many
>>(thousands?) of ET
>>civilizations should have, 'Been there, done that'. As the man said
>>"Where's ETI"?
>>They should be here already! So the point is, maybe they are. Maybe
>>there are some
>>robotic Probes sitting out there in near-earth space scanning the
>Earth
>>for signs
>>of intelligence. ;-)
>>Why have they kept silent? That's a good question, maybe they're on a
>>schedule.
>>Maybe they only call us for 3 weeks every 15 years.. Or maybe LDEs
>are
>>feelers
>>they put out to see what our reaction will be..?. (Did you notice the
>>word 'maybe'
>>appears at random in the above text)? This could go on for pages &
>ages..
>
>___________________________
>
>I'm truly glad to see people being open-minded about this question
>(and
>while we're about it, thanks to Paul for the editorial in the last
>issue
>of SearchLites). The thing I find weird is that it requires no more
>acts
>of 'faith' than radio SETI does - the only assumptions involved are
>(a)
>that ETI may exist, and (b) it's not entirely probable that we are the
>
>first or most advanced example of intelligence. The idea that there
>may
>be probes already here follows with pretty irrefutable logic from
>those
>two assumptions - and they are the *same* assumptions that suggest we
>should point radio telescopes 'out there'.
>
>So why do people think of ETI 'out there' as sicence and ETI probes
>'here' as science fiction?
>
>A few weeks ago I suggested that - with a suitably sceptical approach
>-
>it might be possible for a group of technically and scientifically
>literate people such as the SETI League membership to design and
>conduct
>experiments which would actually help nail down what LDE's really were
>
>(and almost certainly conclude they were nothing to do with probes)
>there
>was almost no response at all. Lukewarm would have been good.
>
>Personally I don't have an opinion about LDE's - but also there is no
>established explanation for them. There is a hypothesis
>(http://www.qsl.net/ea6vq: ref from Ed Cole) that as far as I could
>tell
>suggested some kind of reverse lasing mechanism. But this is
>untested.
>There is another hypothesis (dramatically less likely, I grant you)
>that
>it represents an attemot at communication from an ETI's probe.
>Everyone
>agrees the phenomenon is real, however, there is *not* presently an
>established and testged explanation for it - even though it would be
>possible to do the experiments. If anyone can do it, you lot can (I'd
>
>incluse myself but I have no radio and no expertise).
>
>So, once again - how about it? The first published scientific paper
>with
>'SETI League' written down as the author?
>
>Richard
>

Rich (Tyndall) Replies:
For those who may have scrolled all the way down here, I'm
sorry about the mess, I hit the reply button and you can see what
happened.. This must be some kind of feature that JUNO uses to
discourage people from relying to email..

Anyways Richard, there are a lot of open minded folks on these lists..
Maybe some folks think LDEs are like UFOs and want to
hold back their comments until they see others come clean..
(Of course no one wants people to think they are UFO kooks)..

In plain english, if ETI probes really exist (in this area), then
there is a very good likelihood of a link to many UFO sightings.(IMHO)..

Right now, it seems unlikely there is a link between probes and LDEs..
We can only speculate. One thing I have found, is you can't
easily convince very many people that things that they personally
have never seen really exist.. Most folks are like me and have
that old ' Seeing is believing' MO..

Due to a few strange events in my own life, It's no leap of 'faith'
for me to know that these things exists. One has to believe in
his own powers of observation. (most especially if there were
1500 other people there too). But without more data, I'll have to
reserve judgement on what these things are.

Don't be disheartened by the low response level.. I read your LDE
stuff and it got me thinking about an approach to the problem
that may not be too hard to execute.

And don't think for one second that looking for probes is a
back-burner project. La grange point & asteroid scanning
have been done and will most likely be done repeatedly with
better & better technology. There are researchers that
think that probes are possibly here now or have been here in
the past.

Oh no, it's late.. I'm off to the sleeping module.. 73 Rich <>

Richard Tyndall NJ1A Woburn, MA. USA
RTyndall@juno.com or nj1a@erols.com
ARGUS Observatory FN42jl
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