archive: Re: SETI Fwd: Scientist: Reason for Optimism in ET Search

Re: SETI Fwd: Scientist: Reason for Optimism in ET Search

David Ocame ( davidocame@worldnet.att.net )
Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:30:16 -0400

MarcusJohn@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/21/98 10:04:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> n6tx@setileague.org writes:
>
> >
> > >By the way Paul, do you know Nathan Cohen?
> >
> > Yes, indeed. Chip Cohen is a ham, a onetime Arecibo observer,a member of
> > the SETIQuest editorial board, a top notch antenna designer, and an all
> > around good guy. He is also an outspoken critic of our approach! His
> > quote below (from that article) hints at why, and includes Project Argus:
> >
>
> Now I remember him! I had the running debate with him on
> rec.radio.amateur.antenna last fall, on the space signals thread. He was quite
> vigorous, and made a lot of responders angry.
>
> i.e.:
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> John sed:
>
> >Well said Chip.I agree 100 percent.My premise was not meant to be answered by
> >the scientific method.
>
> Therefore what, pray, do you classify this activity as? Since it requires an
> act of faith, is it not a religious quest?
>
> UFO's as alien spacefcraft also goes under this guise. These activities are
> called 'pseudo sciences'. Like parapsychology for example.
>
> 73
> Chip N1IR
>
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>
>
>
> and this:
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> >>See:
> >>
> >>http://www.setileague.org/editor/possible.htm
> >>
>
> Mark--
>
> This URL is bizarre.
>
> I knew Barney Oliver; I argued with Barney Oliver; I worked with Barney
> Oliver;I learned from Barney Oliver.. Barney had the best mind in SETI.
>
> Barney is saying that you need large apertures. You--and Paul-- should listen.
> Spin-doctoring his argument to support something exactly the opposite is
> disrespectful of the deceased. And disrespectful of reality.
>
> Chip N1IR
>
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>
> You can see that he is somewhat less than diplomatic on occasion. I highly
> encourage anyone with some time to go and read this thread on Deja Vu.
> Here is the URL from the Deja News thread. If it doesn't work, then just do a
> search on rec.radio.amateur.antenna for subject 'space signals'.
> http://www.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?search=thread&recnum=%3c355f12a1.0@news2.ib
> m.net%3e%231/1&svcclass=dnserver
>
> Sincerely, John Marcus.
> KE3SW.
Yup, that's him!:) I was one of those he had THAT discussion with.
Later, in private e.mail discussions he and I came to a peace. He told
me that maybe the Project Argus was a 'decent' search strategie after
all, and that it might be a fun backyard project for the summer. I
wonder if he ever did set up an Argus station:)?

David/n1yvv