archiv~1: Re: SETI UFOLOGISTS

Re: SETI UFOLOGISTS

Mark ( cydonia@bemyguest.com )
Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:50:22 -0800

etrc wrote:
>
> I am so distressed by the UFO pseudo-science people out there, when, in
> this age of good education and infomation availability people still believe
> that aliens are with us and flying saucers are everywhere,the main question
> I want everyone out there to ask themselves,"Why does ET only seems to want
> to appear,kidnap,land etc in the USA and no where else?" some times I think
> that the good ol USof A is a third world country when it comes to common
> sense.

Really, "etrc", you're distressed? I'll tell you what's distressing:
people that will spend their entire lives searching for and hoping to
find a radio wave signifying "communication" from Aliens while
constantly ridiculing the concept of CURRENT vistation by
extraterrestrials. Yes, that's right, those are Alien, ET,
Extraterrestrials that SETI is searching for, better get used to the
terminology.

Ooooooooooh, those are such long distances between stars, they'd never
come here. Yeah, whatever. ET civilizations are just as likely to be a
billion years older than humans as they are to be of approximate "age".
Given even a million years to progress, what sort of distances will
humans be able and willing and WANTING to travel. Do the concepts of
cryogenics, or electromagnetic drives, or wormholes mean anything to
you?

Exactly where is the civilization which "stays at home" and never
ventures long distances?

Your ridiculous comment about ET only visitng the U.S. is absurd.
Throughout both ancient history and modern times, craft and direct alien
encounters have occured and been reported on every inhabited continent.
There are literally uncountable reports from Central America, South
America, Africe, Asia....For someone that claims high "information
availablity" your lack of knowledge is really quite confusing. Do you
need a list of these encounters? How about comments from worldwide
military leaders on this subject?

Please consider the names attached to these quotes before responding:

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Author: Brian Zeiler <bdzeiler@sprynet.com>
11-10-98

It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind
the scenes
high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned
about the
UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many
citizens are
led to believe the unknown flying objects are
nonsense.... I urge
immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers
from secrecy
about unidentified flying objects.

Former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter,
signed
statement to Congress, August 22, 1960.

___________________________

I don't know whether this story has ever been told or
not. They
weren't called UFOs. They were called enemy
helicopters. And they
were only seen at night and they were only seen in
certain places.
They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of
'68.
And this resulted in quite a little battle. And in the
course of this, an
Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any
enemy, we
only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out.
And this
caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at
all involved
but we always reacted. Always after dark. The same
thing happened
up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69.

General George S. Brown, USAF Chief of Staff,
Department of
Defense transcript of press conference in Illinois,
October 16, 1973.

___________________________

We have, indeed, been contacted -- perhaps even visited
-- by
extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in
collusion with the
other national powers of the Earth, is determined to
keep this
information from the general public.

Victor Marchetti, former Special Assistant to the
Executive Director
of the CIA, in an article written by him for Second
Look entitled
"How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon", Vol 1, No 7,
Washington, DC, May, 1979.

___________________________

In any case, the Air Force has arrived to the
conclusion that a certain
number of anomalous phenomena has been produced within
Belgian
airspace. The numerous testimonies of ground
observations compiled
in this [SOBEPS] book, reinforced by the reports of the
night of
March 30-31 [1990], have led us to face the hypothesis
that a certain
number of unauthorized aerial activities have taken
place. Until now,
not a single trace of aggressiveness has been
signalled; military or
civilian air traffic has not been perturbed nor
threatened. We can
therefore advance that the presumed activities do not
constitute a
direct menace.

The day will come undoubtedly when the phenomenon will
be
observed with technological means of detection and
collection that
won't leave a single doubt about its origin. This
should lift a part of
the veil that has covered the mystery for a long time.
A mystery that
continues to the present. But it exists, it is real,
and that in itself is an
important conclusion.

Major-General Wilfred de Brouwer, Deputy Chief, Royal
Belgian Air
Force, "Postface" in SOBEPS' Vague d'OVNI sur la
Belgique - Un
Dossier Exceptionnel, Brussels: SOBEPS, 1991.

___________________________

More than 10,000 sightings have been reported, the
majority of
which cannot be accounted for by any "scientific"
explanation... I am
convinced that these objects do exist and that they are
not
manufactured by any nation on Earth. I can therefore
see no
alternative to accepting the theory that they come from
some
extraterrestrial source.

Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, Commander-in-Chief of
the Royal
Air Force Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain,
printed in
Sunday Dispatch, London, July 11, 1954.

___________________________

The evidence that there are objects which have been
seen in our
atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be
accounted for
either as man-made objects or as any physical force or
effect known
to our scientists, seems to me to be overwhelming... A
very large
number of sightings have been vouched for by persons
whose
credentials seem to me unimpeachable. It is striking
that so many
have been trained observers, such as police officers
and airline or
military pilots. Their observations have in many
instances... been
supported either by technical means such as radar or,
even more
convincingly, by... interference with electrical
apparatus of one sort
or another....

Lord Hill-Norton, Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of
Defense, Great
Britain, 1973; Chairman, Military Committee of NATO,
1974-77;
quoted from his foreword to "Above Top Secret" by
Timothy Good,
Morrow & Co's Quill Books, 1988.

___________________________

The number of thoughtful, intelligent, educated people
in full
possession of their faculties who have "seen something"
and
described it, grows every day... We can... say
categorically that
mysterious objects have indeed appeared and continue to
appear in
the sky that surrounds us.

General Lionel M. Chassin, Commanding General of the
French Air
Forces, and General Air Defense Coordinator of the
Allied Air
Forces of NATO, in foreword to Aime Michel's "Flying
Saucers and
the Straight-Line Mystery", Criterion Books, 1958.

___________________________

I must say that if listeners could see for themselves
the mass of
reports coming in from the airborne gendarmerie, from
the mobile
gendarmerie, and from the gendarmerie charged with the
job of
conducting investigations, all of which reports are
forwarded by us to
the National Center for Space Studies, then they would
see that it is
all pretty disturbing.

I believe that the attitude of spirit that we must
vis-a-vis this
phenomenon is an open one, that is to say that it
doesn't consist in
denying a priori, as our ancestors of previous
centuries did deny
many things that seem nowadays perfectly elementary.

M. Robert Galley, French Minister of Defense,
interviewed on radio
by Jean-Claude Bourret, February 21, 1974.

___________________________

Taking into account the facts that we have gathered
from the
observers and from the location of their observations,
we concluded
that there generally can be said to be a material
phenomenon behind
the observations. In 60% of the cases reported here,
the description
of this phenomenon is apparently one of a flying
machine whose
origin, modes of lifting and/or propulsion are totally
outside our
knowledge.

Dr. Claude Poher, Ph.D. in astronomy, founder and first
director of
GEPAN, the UFO investigative office under the French
government's National Center for Space Sciences which
analyzed
reports from the Gendarmerie from 1974 through 1978,
writing in
the GEPAN Report to the Scientific Committee, June,
1978, Vol 1,
Chapter 4.

___________________________

Around Szolnok many UFO reports have been received from
the
Ministry of Defense, which obviously and logically
means that they
[UFOs] know very well where they have to land and what
they have
to do. It is remarkable indeed that the Hungarian
newspapers, in
general newspapers everywhere, reject the reports of
the authorities.

George Keleti, Minister of Defense, Hungary, in article
by Attila
Lenart entitled "Ask a Question to the Minister of
Defense: George
Keleti, Are You Afraid of a UFO Invasion?", Nepszava,
Budapest,
August 18, 1994.

___________________________

UFOs sighted in Indonesia are identical with those
sighted in other
countries. Sometimes they pose a problem for our air
defense and
once we were obliged to open fire on them.

Air Marshall Roesmin Nurjadin, Commander-in-Chief of
the
Indonesian Air Force, in a letter to Yusuke J.
Matsumura dated May
5, 1967, reprinted in Good ibid.

___________________________

First of all, I told a magazine this past January that,
as an
underdeveloped country with regards to the UFO problem,
Japan
had to take into account what should be done about the
UFO
question, and that we had to spend more time on these
matters. In
addition, I said that someone had to solve the UFO
problem with far
reaching vision at the same time. Secondly, I believe
it is a
reasonable time to take the UFO problem seriously as a
reality... I
hope that this Symposium will contribute to peace on
Earth from the
point of view of outer space, and take the first step
toward the
international cooperation in the field of UFOs.

Toshiki Kaifu, Prime Minister, Japan, in a letter to
Mayor Shiotani of
Hakui City, dated June 24, 1990, endorsing an upcoming
Space &
UFO Symposium.

___________________________

I believe that UFOs are spaceships or extraterrestrial
craft... The
nations of the world are currently working together in
the
investigation of the UFO phenomenon. There is an
international
exchange of data. Maybe when this group of nations
acquires more
precise and definite information, it will be possible
to release the
news to the world.

General Carlos Castro Cavero, General in the Spanish
Air Force and
former Commander of Spain's Third Aerial Region, in an
interview
with J. J. Benitez, La Gaceta del Norte, Balboa, Spain,
June 27,
1976.

___________________________

No agency in this country or Russia is able to
duplicate at this time
the speeds and accelerations which radars and observers
indicate
these flying objects are able to achieve... there are
objects coming
into our atmosphere at very high speeds.

Admiral Delmer S. Fahrney, former head of the Navy's
guided-missile program, printed in New York Times,
January 17,
1957, p. 31.


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Finally, I will recount my one and ONLY UFO experience thus far:

On July 30, 1997, I posted the "Face II at Cydonia" website. The link is
seen below. The following morning, while driving to work, I was
considering what I had found. I had begun immersing myself in the
existing research on Cydonia, Greater Mars, UFOs, etc, in an attempt to
determine what it was I had found at Cydonia. I recalled that one often
hears that we as humans spend most of our time looking at the ground or
the car in front of us, or we're inside, etc. We rarely simply look up.
Something seemed to tell me at that moment to "look up".

When I did, I immediately spotted what appeared to be a large,
elliptical silver object, hovering over the suburb I was driving
through. I was completely sober in every way, it was a stunningly clear,
blue sky (the previous day's storm had cleared things out). The object
had no wings, tail, etc, and it was not a helicopter or plane. I've been
to scores of airshows and travelled extensively and have NEVER seen
anything like it before or since, except in the UFO literature.

The sun was reflecting off of the top left corner of the object clearly
indicating it's metallic construction. I took my glasses on and off,
stuck my head out the window, but nothing changed. The object appeared
to be approx. 200 feet long and it hovered perfectly, in my estimation
about 3000 feet up.

As I drove trees passed between myself and the object which continued to
hover. I drove on for about a half mile before a stoplight where I
stopped and pointed out the window at the object. With my arm extended
the object appeared about the size of a Kennedy half-dollar.

I hoped to reach an upcoming park where I could get out and focus solely
on the object. As I watched, the object suddenly moved in a step-like
pattern stopping "on a dime" once again. I suddenly realized I wasn't
watching the road and as I looked down, I had to slam on my brakes,
stopping just short of the car ahead. Looking up, the object was in the
same exact position, but it appeared blurry, as if it was fading or
phasing out. Looking ahead momentarily, I had to jerk the brakes again.
Looking back up the object was gone.

The entire incident lasted perhaps 3-4 minutes, but it is something I
will never forget, something which has no explanation other than the
straightforward UFO description.

It was only after this incident that I "believed" fully in the modern
UFO phenomenon. I can understand other peoples' skepticism about UFOs,
but after this experience, the reality appears far too clear to ignore.

I wish you the best and hope we can continue this conversation about
SETI: The Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence, which applies to
both radio signals and direct, local observation, IMHO.

To the scientists manning the radio telescopes: Keep up the good work
and remember, the source of signals you find may originate from objects
far closer than is normally assumed.

Peace,

Mark
cydonia@bemyguest.com

http://www.bemyguest.com/mars/
Face II at Cydonia on Mars: The Anunnaki?

http://www.bemyguest.com/mars/release.html
Cydonia '98 Update