archiv~1: Re: SETI Arecibo message to m13

Re: SETI Arecibo message to m13

Hank Gerdes ( )
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:23:48 -0800 (PST)

Oops.. my first time on a list server conversation.. mistakenly sent
this to the originator of the message below mine.. sorry for my

Just a brief comment on this...

"WELL SAID!!!! I don't think we should be so anxious to advertise our
presence either...
But, I too have been puzzled for a long time as to why we don't hear
anything anywhere.. you would think that even though with as big as
the universe is, that somewhere with in a few hudred light year radius..
that there would be another fledgling civilization such as ourselves
that has a technology that uses something that would produce radio
energy. However, thinking more and more on the subject, for anything
to be reaching us from a great distance.. then it would have to have
left that civilizations home, long ago... maybe we are all progressing
along at reasonably the same rate, and we are not alone "wondering"
were our neighbors are...

Boise, ID

---jerry and judy <> wrote:
> >Hello Nico,
> >
> >I think the distance to M13 was known fairly accurately
> >by Drake when he transmitted from Arecibo. The coded
> >message was a little under 3 minutes long and it will
> >take 24,000 years or so to reach M13 ...
> >
> <snipped>
> >You know what bothers me most? It is the super civilizations.
> >Civilizations who are vast users of power (thousands to
> >possibly billions of years ahead of us). Where are they?
> >They should be easily detectable!! But there is no sign of
> >them. Not the slightest clue or hint has popped up after
> >many years of optical and radio observations of our Galaxy
> >(observations actually throughout the electromagnetic
> >spectrum)! Nothing, except perhaps the Universe itself, to
> >make us suspicious that there is any one else out there.
> >Perhaps there is really no one else out there, or perhaps
> >we have big and profound things to learn in the future ...
> >
> >Al Aburto
> >
> It would seem possible that they don't communicate or even use
energy in
> the ways that we would expect, anymore than we communicate or 'use'
> in as limited a way as the next level down of social predators on
> (wolves, lions and hyenas etc.) do. These terrestrial groups
> their 'systems' 5 to 10 million years ago and this may turn out to
be the
> developmental gap between us and ETIs. We might also assume that
> ETIs realize that it's prudent to keep a low profile, because they
> discovered, or simply deduced, that it's downright silly to make their
> activities known to any potential 'superiors', and so on up the
levels of
> ETIs to the billions of year old entities.
> Can *we* learn anything from this view of galactic hierarchies? or
are we
> too arrogant (having been at the top of the food chain here for so
long (so
> long, that's a laugh!)?
> For thirty years, it has seemed odd to me that, since we have known
> almost a century now how young and puny we are as a galactic
> that we would assume that two-way communication was a desired, or
even a
> safe goal!, for us any time within the next millennia.
> Do we have a plan on how we're going to hide, if we ever do
intercept an
> energy signal from an ETI? It's irresponsible not to think of our
> (probably) distant descendents, they will be the ones who will have
to try
> to deal with the ramifications of our actions.
> Wolves and hyenas know enough to *avoid* and hide...
> Jerry

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