archiv~1: Re: SETI Arecibo message to m13

Re: SETI Arecibo message to m13

jerry and judy ( jerbidoc@zianet.com )
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:05:01 -0700

>Hello Nico,
>
>I think the distance to M13 was known fairly accurately
>by Drake when he transmitted from Arecibo. The coded
>message was a little under 3 minutes long and it will
>take 24,000 years or so to reach M13 ...
>

<snipped>

>You know what bothers me most? It is the super civilizations.
>Civilizations who are vast users of power (thousands to
>possibly billions of years ahead of us). Where are they?
>They should be easily detectable!! But there is no sign of
>them. Not the slightest clue or hint has popped up after
>many years of optical and radio observations of our Galaxy
>(observations actually throughout the electromagnetic
>spectrum)! Nothing, except perhaps the Universe itself, to
>make us suspicious that there is any one else out there.
>Perhaps there is really no one else out there, or perhaps
>we have big and profound things to learn in the future ...
>
>Al Aburto
>

It would seem possible that they don't communicate or even use energy in
the ways that we would expect, anymore than we communicate or 'use' energy
in as limited a way as the next level down of social predators on Earth
(wolves, lions and hyenas etc.) do. These terrestrial groups developed
their 'systems' 5 to 10 million years ago and this may turn out to be the
developmental gap between us and ETIs. We might also assume that these
ETIs realize that it's prudent to keep a low profile, because they have
discovered, or simply deduced, that it's downright silly to make their
activities known to any potential 'superiors', and so on up the levels of
ETIs to the billions of year old entities.

Can *we* learn anything from this view of galactic hierarchies? or are we
too arrogant (having been at the top of the food chain here for so long (so
long, that's a laugh!)?

For thirty years, it has seemed odd to me that, since we have known for
almost a century now how young and puny we are as a galactic civilization,
that we would assume that two-way communication was a desired, or even a
safe goal!, for us any time within the next millennia.

Do we have a plan on how we're going to hide, if we ever do intercept an
energy signal from an ETI? It's irresponsible not to think of our
(probably) distant descendents, they will be the ones who will have to try
to deal with the ramifications of our actions.

Wolves and hyenas know enough to *avoid* and hide...

Jerry