archive: Re: SETI Why would anyone look forward to sharing this galaxy?

Re: SETI Why would anyone look forward to sharing this galaxy?

Matthew G Cheung ( mgcheung1@juno.com )
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:48:47 -0400

What makes you think that this is the only planet to ever experience a
natural disaster like what happened to the dinos.

"The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday
thinking." ALBERT EINSTEIN

On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:11:39 -0600 jerry and judy <jerbidoc@zianet.com>
writes:
>>If we feel threatened by an ETI civilization, assuming we ever
>discover one,
>>we will, no doubt, react in the standard way (as in numerous movies,
>like
>>Independence Day, ..., etc.).
>
>And this response would be the authentic and natural one, which has
>been
>programmed into vertebrates for hundreds of millions of years. Our
>cerebral cortex or our technology might tell us that its not the
>suitable
>response this time, but IMO there probably will be no appropriate
>response.
>What is the evolved response of an ant colony to a bulldozer?
>
>> Either we'll lose the battle and be subjugated
>>or wiped out completely, they lose the battle, we both lose, or some
>kind
>>of truce is achieved. That is; if we feel threatened!
>>
>>But suppose we don't feel threatened. Suppose the Arisians land on
>Earth
>>or the Vulcans "discover" us and actually help us! Why isn't this
>just as
>>likely as your scenario?
>
>Well, state one case from earth's history, of even the beginning of
>this
>type of relationship. Species don't help other!, except extremely
>indirectly and then only when they share the same ecosystem, but those
>relationships evolve over thousands and millions of years.
>
>>Perhaps the Galaxy will be like a big city containing the good, the
>bad, the
>>beautiful, and the ugly, ... the whole spectrum! We really will share
>the
>>Galaxy, despite wars, racial prejudice, and the whole spectrum of
>problems
>>we face even today in our cities, this country, and the world ...
>these
>>problems
>>won't go away so long as there is a wide diversity of attitudes,
>feelings,
>>opinions,
>>life styles, races, social strata, ... , on and on , ...
>>
>>We share the cities, the countries, the world, and we'll share the
>Galaxy
>>too...
>
>We share it now, but in the future I think there's a higher
>probability
>that we will only 'share it' as a 'domesticated' pet of the advanced
>tech/civs. Remember, we took the menacing wolf with its potential,
>and
>bred it, domesticated and transformed it to our advantage. In some
>cases,
>we went too far and the dogs became genetically defective, I hope our
>new
>masters are smarter than that! In any case, I'm still convinced that
>we
>shouldn't look forward to the sharing of this galaxy!
>
>No, the bipedal dinos were the only hope for the DNA of this planet
>and
>they were flattened by a stray mountain that Jupiter failed to grab in
>time. I know, impact events occur every 30 million years or so, and
>they
>tend to speed up evolution, but it's such a shame! Those *dinos*
>would
>have been spacefaring for 20 million years by now (all over our galaxy
>and
>already thinking about seeding M31 with brainy *dinos*!! Hallelujah
>to the
>Supreme Dromaeosaur!!)
>
>Our species is very young compared to this potential that was snuffed
>out
>65 million years ago! Bipedal dinosaurs were well along their way
>toward
>sentience. There were a few promising lines which had already started
>on
>the path of enhanced socialization, enlargement of the visual part of
>the
>brain, bipedalism, efficient manipulation and increased
>encephelization (as
>a feedback development loop). If these guys had survived the impact,
>as
>our ancestors did! :), representatives of this planet would be
>populating
>other star systems for maybe over 30 million years by now! (Alright
>10
>million, how many million do you want? We're almost there and it only
>took
>us 20 million or so.)
>
>Now, this perspective probably rules out our planet (and humans!) as
>being
>among the most advanced tech/civs in the Milky Way. We're probably
>too
>late now!
>So unless the earth is even more special than we currently believe, we
>are
>millions of years behind the average *favorable* planet, which spells
>trouble for us, the upstarts!
>
>>Another case:
>>Maybe ETI will be so advanced that they don't really care about us at
>all. It
>>would be like us trying to communicate with an ant perhaps. Silly and
>>unthinkable right?
>>
>>There are many scenarios! Perhaps we should be cautious, but that is
>all
>>I'd advise ...
>
>Such bravery with so little evidence on your side. I think I'm
>objective,
>and all I see are reasons to cower and hide! I'll repeat the reasons;
>
> 1. The age of our sun is only half the age of the Galaxy.
> 2. The assumption of parallel evolution of behavioral (survival)
>responses.
> 3. The very recent emergence of human beings as compared with the
>'proven'
>potential for rapid evolution of higher life, at least on this planet.
> 4. The very recent and extremely rudimentary human development of
>'self-correcting' technologies which are needed to make us 'smarter'
>and
>less 'brutish'.
> 5. And personally, the fact that I love my life and I like being a
>(secure) top dog in this little system! We certainly have enough
>problems!!
> 6. Finally, what's to be gained commensurately? that would justify
>the
>danger?? I just offered my car keys to my dog and he actually took
>them
>gingerly, which surprised me, (but after all he thinks of me as a god,
>and
>I must know what I'm doing, right!?). He walked to a neutral corner,
>dropped them, sniffed them and then just as suddenly took off to
>patrol
>another section of the house. He hasn't come back to resniff the keys
>as
>I've written these sentences. Here was offered all this
>incomprehensible
>technology and power, but he didn't have the brain patterns or the
>body
>plan or the need or desire to drive a car. The modern genus of Canis
>appeared about 6 million years ago, as we did, so the example is not
>that
>far off. IMO, we have more in common with our pets than we'll have
>with an
>ETI, but the roles will be reversed.
>Let's try to remain free!! and maybe a little poorer...
>
>Thanks AL,
>Jerry
>
>>Al Aburto
>>
>
>
>

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